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(...) But if you're saying paying 40k for a 1978 Pinto isn't charity, and that any exchange where both sides assign a "value" to the exchange, then altruism or charity can only happen when one side assigns no value whatsoever to the transaction, (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So I expect to never, ever hear the phrase "liberal media" out of you, right, since it sided with Bush? :-) "We all know that election laws don't matter when Democrats are on the losing side..." Okay, back that up. Give some examples. As to (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This may simply be a matter of our differing perspectives. If you are a uniquely qualified brain surgeon and you agree perform a highly complex operation for $5.00, then that particular operation is worth (in dollar terms) exactly $5.00. (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps I'm missing something here. Did Global Crossing deliberately overstate its outlook and earnings by billions of dollars, while defrauding its shareholders and employees, and did it also swindle California (greatly contributing to the (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No. If you give me a roof to put over my head for a nite, that may well be worth a lot more than an hour's time picking up the parking lot is worth. (best I could do on short notice on the way back from BF was around 50-60 a nite but it's a (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, just like all those media recounts showed that Gore still lost. We all know that election laws don't matter when Democrats are on the losing side... Absolutely not. It is the job of the judiciary to evaluate the constitutionality of laws (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You may be correct about the no-fly zones being established by coalition forces, but they were a condition of the cease-fire, and violation of a cease-fire is more than sufficient reason to resume hostilities. The UN wouldn't enforce anything (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Judicial fiat is how we have Bush as president if that's the way you want to look at it, so I'm not sure what you point is when you try to use an example of a proposition that was doomed legally from the word go. What, the judiciary should (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) IIRC, the no-fly zones were established by the US and UK, so they are irrelevant to UN resolutions. For that matter, Dubya himself hampered the efforts of the UN to enforce its own resolutions when he made logically impossible demands upon (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) IMO, the only justification needed was this: Hussein was in continuing violation of the cease-fire that ended the first Gulf War, both through continuing activities in no-fly zones and hampering efforts of enforcement of the UN resolutions (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) None of which was listed as the reason for the pre-emptive war. But I guess Hussein's actions (and the actions of his sons) are as good a reason as any to kill 3,000+ innocent Iraqi civilians, not to mention the dead or wounded US citizens... (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Or Hussein's reign of terror, torture, and rape! Carl (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) With the possible exception of that whole Iraq war thing, right? -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) One primary recourse is for the government simply to declare off-shore tax-shelters illegal for corporations that do not maintain their primary base-of-operations there (Corporate Shills in the Legislature have squawked that this is an (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As are so-called "Democrats" who are as happy to obtain their way by judicial fiat that completely ignores democratic processes. For example, take controversial Proposition 187 in California: a clear expression of will by 59% of the voters (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes, everybody wants total domination for their particular agenda, but the article was accurate on that account: the right-wing Republicans are doing whatever it takes to actually achieve theirs. Personally, I think their overreaching mania (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well-put, and I don't disagree with the sentiment. After all, I'm supporting a position that good works are a reward in and of themselves without regard to any fiscal gain or loss! But to be a contrarian, a social contract isn't enforceable (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes, but what does Bush have to do with the recall of Davis? This is a local mania of the Republican party, who have finally figured out that they can abuse the recall procedures against the Democratic party rather than their own. Given Dubya (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Strongly disagree -- as you knew I would. Your statement ignores the social contract that corporations have with the societies that provide them with the fiction that makes any of their business possible in the first place. It is not for (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's pretty funny--I was snickering as soon as I hit the "rightwing (sic) forces controlling the Republican Party want TOTAL victory" part. Substitute left wing and Democrat and that statement's true too. Geez, what a revelation! I'm sure (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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