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(...) Yeah, that's the big problem -- my naïveté! Growing prison populations challenge already cash-strapped states (URL) WASHINGTON (AP) -- America's prison population grew again in 2002 despite a declining crime rate, costing the federal (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ah. But I don't live in the USA; I live in Scotland (think Whisky, Haggis, Great Scenery & Rain). Where I live only 1 or 2 home-owners are killed by burglars each year. In 2000 there were a total of 64 (sixy-four) handgun offences in Scotland. (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Point One: Most burglaries occur during the day when nobody is home. This entire issue is a moot point, there is no confrontation. Most burglars hate confrontation. (Partly because it can lead to thier death.) Point Two: Yes, murderous (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If you look down the barrel and pull the trigger, sure. It is very unlikely that you kill yourself with a gun unless it is intentional. It does however, happen, it is just very rare. (...) The way around that is proper gun use through training (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Because it violates the freedom of people who wish to use them without affecting anyone else. Duh. (...) But they do not fall under the category of rape, murder, or stealing and as such only affect those who choose to participate. Anything (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sure, crime isn't the criminal's fault, it's society's! (...) You know, I've been meaning to ask you about that. So what if we have the hightest incarceration rate in the world. Should there be some magical limit? We as a society have certain (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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This is more of the usual right-wing idiocy. Beat down the victims of right-wing callousness. The problem is not incarcerating real criminals, the problem is the creation of crime! We are trying to legislate morality by creating whole categories of (...) (21 years ago, 27-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I would agree that prison is now more of a "resort", and less of a deterrent to criminals and crime. I am certain that many people who are not criminals, but good, hardworking people, DO NOT have health care, exercise equipment or access to (...) (21 years ago, 27-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Basically what you are arguing for is an increase in law enforcement personnel, which is fine (although adding to the tax burden), but in the end I don't think it will decrease the crime rate that much, although significantly drive pastry (...) (21 years ago, 26-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Indeed not. The courts have fairly routinely announced that the only time the government is specifically responsible for you is when and if you are "in custody" (i.e. "under arrest") and even then they try to weasel out of responsibility most (...) (21 years ago, 26-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Then you must mean "Dave, Scott and Dave!";-) JOHN (21 years ago, 26-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oops! That should be Dave, Dave and Scott. Don't want to be leaving anyone out. :-) -Chris (21 years ago, 26-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hey fellas, I've read a few of the many recent posts about firearms and whatnot. Welp, it's late and I feel like rambling a bit. Bear with me. Why is it that people dislike firearms so? I don't mean to pick on anyone, but in recent posts Dave and (...) (21 years ago, 26-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) WTF? Did you even read my post? -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 26-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh the book is obviously conservatively biased, but the basic information pertaining to the Government successfully winning court cases which conclude they have no obligation to respond to 911 calls and/or insure the safty of specific (...) (21 years ago, 26-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually I did here: (URL) (...) Ok now I think I am starting to see where you guys are coming from. I realize I may have come off a little "hard set" too. I would not be shooting at noises, as most of your example seem to suggest. I would (...) (21 years ago, 26-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote: <snip> (...) :) Laugh out loud. In the end, I really do appreciate you guys. You give me much to think about and wrestle with. Keep up the astounding debates. <snip> (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's where I believe you're making an unsubstantiated leap. Even within the bounds of this discussion, you appear unwilling to consider any response other than "kill the intruder/it's his own fault" when other options truly are available to (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) How about having the police services *deter* people from committing crimes in the first place. Its very hard to know when and where a person who is set out to commit a (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Thanks for the link. A quick run around the Internet finds no mention of the book except on Amazon and a few dozen rabidly pro-gun websites. In itself, that's not a refutation of the book's value, but I'm hesitant to assess its worth from such (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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