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(...) Nope. Statistically, the person you are most likely to kill with that gun is yourself. (...) No, it applies to all gun use. Scott A (21 years ago, 25-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That is a flawed statistic. It applies to persons that own a gun but have never used it until they had to. (Which unfortunately is a lot of people) In my case I know how to properly use the weapon. Besides in close quaters a bladed weapon is (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well in this case "personal responsibility" falls on the person that breaks into someone elses home and winds up dead for it. The fact that the person was killed by the homeowner (who in my view is only defending their lives from the (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) By owning a gun are you not already doing that? Statistically, is the weapon not more likely to kill one of your own household than it is an intruder? Scott A (21 years ago, 25-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Why would I give someone that broke into my home the benefit of the doubt? (...) I would only incapacitate them if I could do so without risk to my life or loved ones. (such as a swift kick to the back of the head followed by several more to (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (URL) (...) Its right up there with the myth that police actually prevent crime rather than the reality of the fact that they simply investigating after the fact 99.99 percent of the time. (...) -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 25-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Cite, please. I've never heard this statistic and would value the chance to review the study that produced it. It's fine if you're employing intentional hyperbole, but that should be made clear to the audience. Dave! (21 years ago, 25-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) ANd right back at you--how can you determine that the guy breaking into your house is out to kill you, instead of just taking your television? Again, look at the stats--thousands on thousands of cases of petty theft and burglary, and a scant (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Doh! Straw man! No one is punishing anyone for "defending their own property/lives." Instead, people are being forced to accept the consequences of their actions when they choose to kill someone. Unless there is no way to defend yourself short (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok seriously, how can you determine that is the only reason someone would have broken into your home? I won't give them the benefit of the doubt, if you want to in your home that is fine. In an idealistic world if I could somehow magically (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli wrote: <snip> (...) And I am baffeled at the 'logic' of taking a life over a television set. Dave K (21 years ago, 25-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well in that specific case I would probably shoot the guy in the leg, kick him in the head a couple time to make good and sure he is unconscious, tie him up, and call the police. If that is illegal then I now know why the crime rate is so high (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (URL) Kooties, Todd's crazy FTX wants you to use your angle brackets, k? -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 25-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) A thoroughly good read as well: (URL) K (21 years ago, 25-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Wrong again, John...that blaze of glory seems to have been more of a fizzle. It appears they were taken out with an overwhelming amount of force. Of course, it may have been strategically better to have taken them alive too. Excessive Force? (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I've tried to stay out of this one because I am of two minds about it, but... I just wanted to point out to Mike that morality aside, the laws in most western countries probably do not allow you to kill someone who is fleeing just as you are not (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Read further. You'll find that the kid Tony Martin murdered was from an ethnic minority of which Tony Martin previously threatened to put in a field and "machine gun"... nice man. You’ll also find the kid pleaded for his life before being (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Dude, how obtuse can you be? Mike has REPEATEDLY told you that he isn't willing to risk his life on the off chance that a burgler isn't there to rape/and or kill, but simply and harmlessly to steal. How can the punishment fit the crime when (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Shor' duz, pardner. Check out dem mighty gun-totin' wahoo-friendly Texas gun lawz! Take my stuff 'n I gets to plug you! Dem Kalifonicaters gotta actually be threatened an like, but here, if'n an orphan steal a crust o' yer bread, why shootin's (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No I don't care about what is legal or illegal. I care about what is morally right and wrong. If it is rape, murder, or stealing it is morally wrong by any religion or lack thereof. If it is defending ones life and property, even if that means (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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