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(...) That is because the crime rate in Canada and the UK and anywhere else you choose to examine has gone up (NOT down) after Gun Control policies were enacted. It is impossible to reduce the number of guns that criminals will get so long as guns (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ahh, the American Cup-- All you need is 40 million dollars and a dream... ;) Dave K (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) HOG PILE!!! :-) (...) Ah, I have the perfect answer-- I started to watch but became so disgusted that I turned it off (and coincidently, that's what really happened) (...) lol My dad watches that too! "It's really fascinating, blah, blah, (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Churchill did say that the USSR "tore the guts out of the Nazi war machine". The USSR lost ~25-30,000,000 in WW2 [the USA lost ~140k in Europe]. Without the USSR, D-Day would never have happened in '44 as Germany would have had its best (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, that's the dreamer part of me... but it's completely true. (...) I like how you do away with the rest of the logically constructed arguement, that if you *reduce* the number of guns, you will reduce the number of gun related cases of (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I missed Rather's interview--I think it was on during 'Enterprise' or 'The West Wing', not that I really bothered to check when it was on--I lumped it, mistakenly or not, in the 'Let's get ratings at any cost' group, and I don't seem to (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, everyone agrees that Dan Rather is an idiot. Except me. Not that I have the answer: I wasn't idiotic enough to watch him in the first place. Perhaps I do have the answer. :-) -->Bruce<-- Okay, 'fess up: who was idiotic enough to declare (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah I think we can all agree on that. -Mike Petrucelli (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Tell you what. I'll concede that... if you can *completely* eliminate guns from the surface of the earth, no one will be killed with guns any more, or at least not until the aliens come. But I'll ***only*** concede that in return for a (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hit fudge hasn't killed anybody, that I recall-I could be wrong. Ask a father what he wants done to the criminal who had just raped and killed his daughter. Weak willed? I don't think so--I'm just glad that laws are supposedly made by rational (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) gun (...) gun (...) always (...) Except that right now it would be easier for me to purchase an AK-47 through illegal channels than it would be for me to purchase a 6-shooter through legal channels. (...) I will definately agree that if your (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So you want the state to protect you from yourself and your weak will then? Is that it? I'm going to campaign to outlaw hot fudge, after all, some people can't resist it. (...) It might be what you're advocating, it just doesn't happen to be (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I agree that there will always be those that want to break the law, or use a weapon in a moment of passion--I admitted that I'm torn when it comes to me, a gun, and Paul Bernardo (my ethics would prevent me from doing harm to him in the (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The violent crime rate doubled* in Canada and tripled* in the UK after the gun control laws went into effect. Yes they are still lower than in the US but that is beside the point. I do understand your point now, but unless every gun on the (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll try to make this as simple as possible, without getting into a totally complex discussion-- If people don't have guns, people can't get shot by guns. That's as simple as it gets. Knives, hatchets, pipes, hands, and the rest all have (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh I'd love to have a black/white, right/wrong stance as clear and simplistic as the one you're proposing, Larry. But the world's a complex place, which needs complex problem solving--there is nothing cut 'n dry in life. So when I say that I (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Red/Green-- When tested, on a scale of CV (colour vision) 1-5, 1 being not colour blind and 5 being total colourblind, I'm a CV 3, which means I could have been a chef or such in the armed forces--I could not be a scuba diver (which I wanted (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I seem to recall that we may have had some discussion here on the book "Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture" by Michael Bellesiles although I could not find a relevant post. At any rate it puts forth the thesis that "guns were (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) alive. (...) Ok now I am really confused on why you support gun control. I mean you do know that the crime rate in Canada has almost doubled since the nation wide Gun Control laws went into effect right? Sure it is still a lot lower than the (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: (selective snipping for comedic effect) (...) But if the way you see them *is* black and white, wouldn't that measn....? ;-) -->Bruce<-- (red/green? total? My right eye sees redder and my left (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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