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(...) If a right is just a legal construct, then why can't it be sold away or limited? (...) If a right arises simply from the people, then I'm not sure a right to exist is compatible. (...) I think we need to explore the foundations of rights. Why (...) (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh my goodness--I actually agree with John! Eep! (1) Dave K (1) all except the attack on 9-11. Whereas I don't think that American foreign policy is the *only* reason for 9-11, the slip-shod American foreign policy has negatively impacted (...) (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When someone observed to Winston Churchill that his predecessor as prime minister, Neville Chamberlain, was a humble man, Churchill is reported to have replied, "And he has so much to be humble about." Ditto for some current European leaders (...) (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The difference is that 99.5% of *Christians* would condemn their actions. How many in the Arab world condemn Extremist Muslims' actions? The silence is deafening. (...) So why bring Christianity into the discussion in the first place? (...) (...) (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes: <snip> (...) What I want you to realize is that writing off valid points as 'straw man arguments' and 'wiggling and changing the tune', and deleting examples that are completely valid and true (...) (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But what does that mean? Humility is irrelevant. Your obfuscation is a dodge. JOHN (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, but if you do, then perhaps you should attend to yourself before lecturing others. (major snip) (...) I read where you were running on about someone hating Islam, which has nothing to do with the subject at hand, so I simply deleted it as (...) (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think he is simply asking for a little humility to be shown. Scott A (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So what are you trying to argue here? That *nobody* is worthy to confront evil? That *nobody* has the moral authority to rise up against tyrants, depots, or dictators? That *nobody* has the right to judge anyone else? I don't understand your (...) (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I love analogies... If I know someone who has an alcohol problem, do I have to have an alcohol problem? If I know someone who hates Islam and wants to kill anyone who believes in that religion, do I have to carry a gun and start shooting as (...) (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Eh... All right. Two points, ah, two flats, and a packet of gravel." ;-) Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd "venture" 99% of the terrorism the UK has suffered has been perpetrated people who'd call themselves "Christians". However, Christianity is not what drives them. – it’s greed, nationalism and to a lesser extent some form of political (...) (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Let he who is free from sin cast the first stone." Fredrik (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who is "they"? The decision outlined above was taken by *Belgium's* "Supreme Court". As their name implies the "Norwegian Nobel Committee" is actually based in *NORWAY*. The prize was actually shared by Rabin, Arafat and Peres. Their work was (...) (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) .... and now it appears not even the USA is 100% welcome: Turkey ups stakes on US troops (URL) Turkish president has said his country will allow US soldiers to be deployed on its territory only if the United Nations passes a second resolution (...) (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | "US buys up Iraqi oil to stave off crisis" [was Re: What about the first?]
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(...) Really? Read this: US buys up Iraqi oil to stave off crisis (URL) its most chronic shortage in oil stocks for 27 years, the US has this month turned to an unlikely source of help - Iraq. Weeks before a prospective invasion of Iraq, the (...) (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One can point to individuals in both parties in letting Enron go wild, but it really was the baby of the Republicans. Bush loved 'em. As to the oft-repeated but inaccurate claims that the environmentalists had somehow blocked construction of (...) (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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[snip] (...) Now that is really interesting. Then again they gave Arafat a Nobel peace prize too. [snip] (...) no (...) All of that falsely assumes Saddam would not destroy the oil infrastructure as a parting gift. (...) war. (...) Freeing the Iraqi (...) (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are correct, you did not say that at any time. I also did not say you did say it... :-) I just call your attention to the fact that it would be wrong *if* you had that in mind. Therefere I chose the words "as you said it" to be highlighted (...) (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wrong in the sense that I never said that U.S. companies do not benefit from Middle Eastern oil in any way. Dave is saying we want their oil because we are sucking up so much Middle Eastern oil (and specifically Iraqi oil) with our SUVs. My (...) (22 years ago, 19-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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