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(...) Don't you guys have a rule about doing unto others as you would have them do unto you? Or is that just a guideline? (...) Dan Quayle is ridiculed because he is a political lightweight. I've never heard of anyone ridiculing his religious (...) (26 years ago, 13-Dec-98, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are right, I mischaracterized your "The meaning of Christmas" reply. That was wrong, irrational and inaccurate of me to do so. I apologize. Now, I'll keep my word and not say another word on this subject. Steve Berry (26 years ago, 13-Dec-98, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hmmm... Something told me this would get to this point. This is long gang -- sorry. And, yes I'm aware that historical calendars put Christ's birth many months outside of December. Some scholars have thought it was more likely in June. I don't (...) (26 years ago, 13-Dec-98, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, just as a clarification here, please, I dispute that I did any such thing. This whole brawl started because I, in passing, but I contend very much in context for my append, mentioned that "I celebrate Christmas because it's fun, not (...) (26 years ago, 13-Dec-98, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) *declining to go into religious debates* Might I just add that historically, Sanata Claus, or rather Saint Nicholas, doesn't go with Christmas? His day is celebrated on 5 december, the day before the anniversary of his death. Please keep him (...) (26 years ago, 13-Dec-98, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Selçuk wrote in message ... (...) [stating] I'm not (...) I am glad I waded through all soap-box crapola... A glimmer of clear thought that cuts to the point, and stays on topic (1). 1. I guess things don't really need to stay on topic, in here of (...) (26 years ago, 13-Dec-98, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Also sprach Matthew Miller: : Idea -- don't subscribe to lugnet.off-topic.debate. You misunderstand ... I am disappointed that even lugnet has gotten dragged into this perenial usenet flamewar ... I'm not complaining that it's off topic; I realize (...) (26 years ago, 12-Dec-98, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well I thought I was going to sit this one out - it hits a little too close to home being a PK (1) and all. But what Mike spelled out above seems to pretty well capture my thoughts. I'll add the following rambling... There is no escaping the (...) (26 years ago, 12-Dec-98, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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People have been celebrating winter solstice since well before the start of Judaeism, much less Christianity. The early expropriation of that holiday by the Christian church was one of the greatest marketing ploys of the first millenium. I'm happy (...) (26 years ago, 12-Dec-98, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How about neither of the above? I think you're the one being divisive, Steve. If you take umbrage at someone pointing out that they're not christian but decided to build a train with Santa on it anyway, you're way off base. Try not to pass (...) (26 years ago, 12-Dec-98, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm certainly not an atheist, but if I were to decide to choose "sides" in this very small, very insignificant disagreement, I would have to side with him. Little footnotes at the end of a message just aren't that big a deal, especially worded (...) (26 years ago, 12-Dec-98, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't mention this to be overly agumentative, but the celebration(s) that were common during the Christmas-time of year were around long before Christ. While there were several festivals during the latter half of December in Rome, focusing (...) (26 years ago, 12-Dec-98, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Idea -- don't subscribe to lugnet.off-topic.debate. (26 years ago, 12-Dec-98, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The various religious debates hold no interest for me, but I actually do read them some time. And I must say, I'd rather see them here than in a general discussion area. In fact, since people will inevitably have these sorts of discussions, (...) (26 years ago, 12-Dec-98, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Neither. I don't think that jumping down Larry's throat because he celebrates Christmas because it's fun, was appropriate in a discussion group about Lego trains. Matt (26 years ago, 12-Dec-98, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Also sprach Steve Berry: : Christmas, like it or not folks, is a CHRISTIAN holiday. It exists because : Christ is the savior and this is the day we celebrate his birth. We don't : celebrate Christmas because of decorated trees, lights or over-weight (...) (26 years ago, 12-Dec-98, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Steve Berry wrote in message ... (...) would. (...) in (...) Yes, it must have been originated as you mentioned, but today almost whole world celebrates it and give gifts to their firedns, and make holiday. aand this occurs regardles from any (...) (26 years ago, 12-Dec-98, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I just want to say how disappointed I am to see this conversation show up here. It happens in general discussion groups all over usenet; one crusader who won't hush until he makes everyone bow to his creator. Those of you who thought that lugnet (...) (26 years ago, 12-Dec-98, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I guess that I have to speak up for Steve on this one..... Steve thanks for speaking out, you are not alone on the RTL ........ Jesus, he is the reason for the season......... George Sikora Steve Berry wrote in message ... (...) would. (...) in (...) (26 years ago, 12-Dec-98, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Also sprach Steve Berry: : No offense, but could you be taking Larry's side on this because he comes : close to your own ideological stance on this issue? Or, is it because, as you : say, footnoting something divisive in a Trains newsgroup is o.k.? (...) (26 years ago, 12-Dec-98, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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