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  Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
 
(...) You said it. You "limit" the budgets. That's *not* freedom. The average winning candidate spends about $40,000.00. Think (...) So the liberal, career-politician incumbants can remain in power. No thanks. (...) One big reason is because they (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
 
(...) Only because I am finishing my breakfast and only because it is the day it is... I do have a problem with patriotism. It is the same problem I have with most "religious" people and their seemingly mad fervor for whatever thing they happen to (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: UK gets a raw deal again
 
Your right. Although the original name is french (Valenduc) the spelling was changed when some Hugenots moved to Holland a few centuries ago. My better half is from Limerick though, so we'd like our kids to be bilingual, hence the international (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: US healthcare (was: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.)
 
(...) I was careful not to mention the "poor". My comments focus on those just above the safety net and also do not include any “churn”. Scott A (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
 
(...) Gosh, that's great! I thought I was starting to sound like you. ;) Scott A (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: <snip> (...) Well, this statement kinda shows where you stand on the matter. Saying that Creationism *isn't* reality endorses that something else is. Unless you're an avid reader of Hitch (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
 
(...) SC (...) positions (...) I go back and forth on what I think the base requirements for a school to use vouchers should be. I'm opposed to schools teaching e.g. strict creationism instead of reality, but I'm not sure I'd even support (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  US healthcare (was: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.)
 
(...) millions? This common stance ignores the fact that our poor often (at least) obtain medical care when it is needed. When I was a child, our family was poor. I was, however, vacinated at county clinics, had my tonsils removed when I was three, (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
 
(...) because (...) Native Americans hunted some things to extinction in some places. Sustainability in the big picture can only be measured over long time periods which includes the ability to adapt. But by and large, I agree. OTOH, I personally (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes: <snip> (...) Oh My Goodness!!! I'm sounding like Scott!! AAAAAUUU...UUUGGGGGG...H!!!...!!! That's it--I bow out of this debate! ;) Dave (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
 
(...) The past two UK general elections have produced MPs who got to power with virtually no funding. That is freedom. In the UK we limit MP’s political advertising budgets to allow open access to power. The average winning candidate spends about (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes: <snip> (...) Oh I'm so glad that I'm Canadian with our health care system. Yes there are those union bosses who say otherwise, and people can line up a whole bunch of people whining about the woes of (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
 
(...) People can't have it both ways--they want the vouchers 'cause then they can send their kid to whatever school they think is best for their kid and at the same time say "oh you can't send *your* voucher (and therefore your kid) to *that* school (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
 
(...) But then you are simply restricting freedoms. Pretty soon we'd end up like the UK>;-) (...) That you mentioned race-- what would that necessarily have to do with anything? (...) Damn right. People *need* to start *really* being colorblind, and (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
 
(...) I'd have to remember where I saw it, but something like 70% of all violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders. And what counts as a crime when compiling those (...) I don't think I ever asserted that. (...) *They* are a necessary evil to (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
 
(...) Many were upset that those vouchers were used to attend religious schools, allegedly at the state's expense. -John (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
 
(...) Indeed, but it is important to iron out any imperfections. You constitution allows political power to be bought and sold. Millionaires can buy elections. Third parties can run negative campaigns against candidates (eg NRA). Your embassies are (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
 
(...) Their lifestyle was sustainable - your one is not. Right now the world is paying the price the "material culture" you (collectively) enjoy/conform to. The ugly inefficiency of your subsidised steel "industry" is an example of this. The EU is (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
 
(...) in (...) No, I don't. What is it? And what counts as a crime when compiling those numbers? And why is it that you think crimes that take place in prison are less important? I think the overall effect on the economy of fixing those who can be (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
 
(...) You paint with too broad a brush, my good man. This atheist believes that school vouchers are the best thing since sliced bread. Seriously, I don't see vouchers as a religious issue at all. It's an educational freedom issue. And I want more! (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)


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