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(...) (URL) only shows the Israeli casualties though... I don't know where to find the Palestinian side. Also all these are easy to verify (cnn, ruiters), unlike some of the PA claims. Dan (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes indeed, but let's be realistic about it. There are people ALIVE TODAY who participated in atrocities during WWII against people who are ALIVE TODAY, so it's not like this is something we're inferring from the fossil record. For many (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To be fair, "they" also identify such a distinction, and "them" ain't "us." I understand your point and agree with it in the abstract, but I think it's a mistake to act as if all distinctions are arbitrary, fleeting, or non-existent--even if (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree that desperation is what is driving _most_ of the Palestinians. However, a small number have achieved positions of power (not really Arafat, though he certainly has some power) due to their ability to lead and incite rebellion. These (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) yeah, it's not a situation that can be remedied by sound bites and bandaids.. To add a separate thread of debate -- one thing that has been bothering me as of late is the 'restitution for atrocities that happened in the past' It was wrong for (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And this so-called power gives them what precisely? World attention? It took years for that to happen -- and even now a guy like Arafat is suspected of not having very much real power even with his own people anyway. I remain very unconvinced (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree that desperation is an aspect of the Palestinian mindset, however, I really feel that the core of the Palestinian resistance is not acting out of desperation. It is acting out of pure desire for power, based on a power structure which (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey! My irrelevance is *always* relevant. I've noticed that Chris' grasp of statistics is stronger than mine, and sometimes his articulations on the subject can muddle my brain a bit (more). Perhaps Allan was suffering a similar verbal (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, I agree with all of the above. Nevertheless it's irrelevant. My question really was to Allan, because I honestly didn't understand what it was he didn't understand about what Chris said. (...) Me too. (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are, of course, absolutely correct to point out the difference between correlation and causation, but it must be recalled that statistical data are routinely used by both sides in all kinds of discussions, so Allan can be forgiven for (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In '49 the UN passed a resolution to put Jerusalem under its control. Four days later Israel moved the Knesset there. Scott A (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I’ll admit to being a little irked by this. What has brought about “peace” in NI is the realisation that violence could only get the terrorists groups so far. The IRA (and its Loyalist counterparts) has just as little regard for “rights” (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As far as I am aware the restaurant was actually Palestinian-Israeli owned. But that makes very little difference. It was still a very cruel act. The difference is that on the Palestinian side there is absolute desperation and some with (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If those were two euro-cents, it would have been me saying it. ;-) I share this oppinion entirely - especially what you say regarding the Chinese stand, I think that is a pretty clever reading of the situation (but then again, China has (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Ben: I've ordered from Auld Dragon's Lair 4 times in the past year. I always received feedback within 3 weeks. When I made my last purchase I expected feedback in a timely manner as before. I can understand if Jeff wants to wait 1 year or even 10. (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Just some super-quick thoughts on this ongoing problem... (...) How can the U.S. send crystal clear messages about aggression when our hands are dirty in Afghanistan? (...) Short-term solutions will not work in this conflict, not that I disagree (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I believe they tried that. Oslo, and a any other agreement signed - however, agreements don't do much unless both sides do their part. As far as I know, the PA has never actually done anything that it said it would. Dan (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) AFAIK, OPEC hasn't been selling oil to Israel since the early 70s, if ever. But I don't have links, so it might just be a misconception of mine. Dan (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I wonder what the future plans of the Israeli government are. Having removed parts of the infrastructure and police force of the PA, they will probably have to put in their own resources for this function in the future. I think that this can (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Some OPEC countries want to the restrict oil production to sanction Israel and USA. If they succeed, there may be oil involved this time. I doubt it, though. Fredrik (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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