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(...) Before some of the sillier rhetoric goes much further -- the historical reason for the 2nd Amendment in the U.S. is exactly as Mike states in the above. Yes, we have a system of checks and balances. Yes, we are supposed to have separate (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Speaking of scalpers... I came across this page on the Rebelscum website: (URL) their definition of Collector apply to LEGO in the context of this thread? -Rob. (23 years ago, 21-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, I assumed you said something to the effect of "document A is similar to document B issued by Hitler, therefore document A is bad". Fredrik (23 years ago, 21-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is more or less identical to the old "we've discovered 2/3 of all the oil in the world" argument. What qualifies as a "crime," in your example? What qualifies as "preventing" a "crime" in your example? If my possession of a handgun (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, let's rephrase the question, since you seem to be invoking the "chances are he'll never use the gun at all" escape clause. Assuming the gun is at some point fired (other than for hunting or target practice) who is statistically the most (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let's take the Hitler example, then. Hitler was not only democratically elected (although I doubt the soundness of the process), but he also enjoyed massive, sincere support from the population. Still, I feel confident that there were heaps of (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) using (...) Not very many. They would tend to get shot for trying. (...) Only criminals use guns as a threat when there is no need. That is why they are criminals. (...) All things being equal otherwise, in areas where it is eaiser to legally (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Flawed Logic. You have assumed I stated something along the lines of "[Hitler was an Elected offical therefore elected officals are bad]" What I stated, or at least was trying to convey, was that Hitler was an elected offical therefore (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You can ask a rhetorical question and you can ask someone a question but you cannot ask someone a rhetorical question for when you ask a rhetorical question you don't want and/or expect an answer, as in, "What's up with that?" You can ask a (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Can I ask you a rhetorical question, while still staying with the Hitler subject? Hitler was a vegetarian. Does that prove anything about vegetarians? Fredrik (23 years ago, 21-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As Stalin so eloquently put it; "Those who cast the votes decide nothing, those who count the votes decide everything." Just remember Hittler was an elected offical. Also note that the United States Gun Control act of 1968 is virtually word (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Exactly. Gun control is completely about control, but both sides of this issue fail to see the bigger picture--why do people obey the law, and those that break the law, why do they do that? When society gets to the point where everyone obeys (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How many are prevented by unarmed citizens? How many times are guns used as a threat when there is no need? Does that count as a prevented crime? (...) That is because statistically legal gun owners are white middle income americans living in (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would assert that I made that clear in my last post to you? (...) I would agree that it would not be constructive if I were to bait Larry. Read the thread again and think about who is doing the baiting. (...) These "remember to dot your eyes (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In some countries, democratic elections are used for mostly the same effect. Fredrik (23 years ago, 21-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No one. Chris (23 years ago, 21-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Written in .debate: "when I post outside this group I try to be 100% constructive. I have to be..." You didn't use the word always, you used 100%. And, to be fair, you said you try. So are you asserting that this was constructive or that you (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) /objective mode on Well ignoring the propaganda on both sides of the Gun Control issue, and using indepentant statistics from Gallup Polls. This is all applicable to the USA. Roughly 10,000 crimes a year are committed with legally obtained (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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snip (...) No, you have every right to speak your personal opinion, that is why this forum, and this country are so great. I won't say I agree with you but never feel you shouldn't have stated your opinion, it's what you believe and that should be (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The system is not to my liking on a number of levels... but I am no fan of national service. I wonder if the Swiss navy uses the same system? ;) Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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