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(...) Not if they don't find out. The very nature of the "harm" that takes place -- that you have to know about it in order for it to hurt -- makes me question the validity of calling it harm. DaveE previously asserted that it would be bad for him (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Even if it's just hearsay, can you tell me what you fear they might be? I hear things like the right to marry which is a pursuit of equality, not a special benefit. (...) I wouldn't fear such a lawsuit. I think it would be hard to penalize (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not all of us should be incapable of reproduction. Obviously that would be bad. However, the ability to generate, attract, and/or use the assistance of those (whomever/however) who don't reproduce would be a valuable survival strategy. If (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) change (...) Thanks for that Carl, I enjoyed your post (although I've not read the follow up URLs yet) and tend to agree with your sentiment. The notion of choosing who you fancy seems absurd; I mean how many of us end up with the partners we (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Here is the essay on Homosexauality: (URL) I don't agree with a lot of the conclusions drawn) & here is how I found it. A few months ago I found out about the Baha'i faith. The following principles of the Baha'i faith are why I researched it (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Here is something that is interesting (though I forgot where I found it): ===...=== The American Psychological Association released a Statement on Homosexuality in 1994-JUL. Their first two paragraphs are: The research on homosexuality is very (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I had not noticed that you had ignored me I'm afraid. (...) I did not say "who cares?", I said "who cares!". Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 5-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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in article 3C0EBDDF.E99FCC98@mi...pring.com, Frank Filz at ffilz@mindspring.com wrote on 12/5/01 6:37 PM: (...) Ahhh. Sorry, I thought that the poster had changed the subjest line. My mistake. Rob (23 years ago, 6-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Umm, did you pay attention to the subject line and the original message... This isn't the thread you're thinking of... Frank (23 years ago, 6-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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in article Gnw1yv.Kwx@lugnet.com, Hendo (John P. Henderson) at hendo@valyance.com wrote on 12/5/01 2:52 PM: (...) No. It's off topic for LUGNET, and so does not belong on the front page. I refer people with kids to LUGNET all the time, and tell them (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Allen, as I kicked off the initial message that started this thread, I was wondering about that myself. But I would feel cheesy if I highlighted my own message... Thanks for the thought though! :) -Hendo (23 years ago, 5-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't see how this relates to my post. You said that all of 4000 years of religious doctrine was correct (except possibly the gay genes). I argued that with the diversity of the various doctrines, it couldn't _all_ be correct. Fredrik (23 years ago, 5-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Amen, well spoken! /Tore (23 years ago, 5-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) According to Christianity, every child (with or without the "gay gene"), is born into sin. Is that not a bit more powerful than the "genetic behavior" above? If indeed some very few percent are born into a genetic disposition towards a sinful (...) (23 years ago, 5-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well two things-- 1st off, this gets into sketchy territory. What is want? How do we define it? And, further, is it really *as* bad as the act? Hence, if we want it, why not just go do it since it's just as bad? Is there any positive side to (...) (23 years ago, 5-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok so far I guess-- although we're assuming some stuff about sin and morality, but there's a chance we won't need to get into it very far... (...) Ah. So your thought is that someone who is genetically predisposed to be gay is someone who (...) (23 years ago, 5-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The debate that I began seems to be drawing to somewhat of a conclussion. I've made my points, then clarified them, then defended them. It is unfortunate that some still think I have some ulterior motive to the whole debate, however, I am not a (...) (23 years ago, 5-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That'd be great, except that the demands are not that simple. I really wish I new where to look for the lawsuits, I've heard about them on the news and from Christians, but I've never been able to read about them. (...) It is no longer that (...) (23 years ago, 5-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I am finding that making so many individual replies is somewhat taxing. I seem to be saying too much in some posts, and not enough in others. Here, I should have distinctly referred to Christianity, rather than religion in general. Other religions (...) (23 years ago, 5-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Low writes: [snip] (...) Asked and answered ;-) (...) 'Cause then we'd be giving birth in winter, which wouldn't be real wise :-) Cheers Richie (23 years ago, 5-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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