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(...) I don't know--but if you take Cuba in comparison with the US pseudo-colonies in the Caribbean that masquerade as independent states, I'd much rather be Cuban. Compare Cuba with the Dominican Republic, Haiti, or even a place like Jamaica, (...) (23 years ago, 28-Aug-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: (snipped) (...) Wrong! Medicine is very good in Cuba. They invest heavily in Healthcare. Honest! A friend of my father went there for heart surgery and spoke wonders of the place! (...) It was the (...) (23 years ago, 28-Aug-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd go with the utilitarian argument that people don't seem to have much in the way of choices, material goods, freedom of expression, action, or movement, and some desperately want to leave to the extent of risking their lives to do so. Will (...) (23 years ago, 28-Aug-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True. You'd be amazed by the amount of Portuguese people who have gone to Cuba for treatment, especially optic, cardiac, and neurosurgery (spelling?). (...) Dunno. But they do seem cult, public libraries have a lot of movement - then again, TV (...) (23 years ago, 27-Aug-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I reposted here since this is the best thread for this topic: (...) Perhaps it would help if you'd expalin what constitutes "failure" in your opinion? Cuba has several strong points: * National health care * Higher literacy rate than America * Lower (...) (23 years ago, 27-Aug-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Correct. US embargoes, while bogus on their very face, and not something I support in the general case, are not a sufficient excuse for Communism's failure in Cuba in and of themselves. (...) Thanks for the restatement. (23 years ago, 27-Aug-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't really know the details of the situation, but I think you certainly could argue that fact-- you'd just have less evidence to present. It depends on how you define failure of a system-- both in quality and extremity. Hence, we can argue (...) (23 years ago, 27-Aug-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Okay, here's a new thread just for this topic... As I said before, I don't think it's valid to argue that Communism doesn't work in Cuba because of some inherent flaw in Communism itself. Cuba is under the yolk of heavy sanctions that have prevented (...) (23 years ago, 27-Aug-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well maybe since it is DJ who he accused of making false statements, he should reply to him: (URL) A (...) (23 years ago, 27-Aug-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not really. This section of the thread has changed course. I made a quick reference to it (communism) as an example and the topic blossomed. (...) I wouldn't say *that* :) Obviously there are several interested in the topic... (I'm not one of (...) (23 years ago, 27-Aug-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So to determine where the untruths lie, I am expected to read through the 12000+ messages in .debate to built up a profile of Larry’s views on communism/Cuba. That is preposterous. Truth/untruth may have nothing to do with Larry's past stated (...) (23 years ago, 27-Aug-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It would certainly depend on how you defined "working well." There are a large number of Cuban citizens who are quite content with their situation. Only the wealthy oppressors of the common man who have mostly come to the US were unhappy with (...) (23 years ago, 27-Aug-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, brother. I think it's fairly clear (to anyone who's spent any time at all in OT.DEBATE) from Larry's established viewpoint re: communism, as well as from the context of the brief exchange between Larry and Dan, that Larry is identifying as (...) (23 years ago, 27-Aug-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Larry, If you are going to claim that posters are not telling the truth, I think you should do us all the courtesy at least being willing to justify your comments rather that claiming you do not wish to "pollute" the thread further. Scott A (23 years ago, 27-Aug-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not going to pollute this thread more than I did already. The thread is about an unusual mechanism for seeing good works happen. I am not sure that there is general interest in revisiting the larger topic of communism. If there is and (...) (23 years ago, 27-Aug-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't get this. Why only help someone as part of a conditional agreement - why not just do good. What is the world coming to? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 27-Aug-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Larry, If you are going to claim that posters are not telling the truth, I think you should do us all the courtesy of indicating where you think the untruths lie. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 27-Aug-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Obviously, your question was not to me therefore what's to answer? (...) Chris can answer your question since only he knows what he meant by "How about Cuba?". I was just responding to your comments regarding Cuba and Communism. What part is (...) (23 years ago, 27-Aug-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's all well and good (and you're welcome to believe it although much of is false), but you didn't answer the question. Fortunately I was asking Chris, I guess, so there's still hope. (23 years ago, 27-Aug-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are correct that it isn't a good example, but because Communism has not been ALLOWED to work in Cuba due to the crippling sanctions (embargo, boycott, whatever you wish to call it) imposed by America. It's like denying someone food and (...) (23 years ago, 26-Aug-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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