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(...) I definitely see your point. This sort of murkiness is, of course, what the civil courts of the world are for--someone has to decide if confidentiality was actually breached. I don't want to get into the wrinkles of Internet copyright law (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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"Tim Wilkins" <Tim.Wilkins@zurich.com> wrote in message news:Fyzz11.H3L@lugnet.com... (...) with (...) not (...) thing....we (...) I'm not sure if that is correct. I'm not a lawyer or anything but AFAIK there are European laws that safeguard (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) Let's do an experiment. Why don't you scan and publish the information you lifted from TLG's website, and provide us publicly with the URL where it can be viewed? I'd certainly welcome it (and be the first visitor), but you'd be absolutely (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) no (...) mell, are (...) Certainly not. A secret is only a secret if nobody knows about it. A leak is fair game and Target is hardly the CIA (...) By the way what is a troll ? Tim (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) with (...) no (...) are (...) No, but what he is saying is that LEGO has to contact each of us and _ask_ us to sign a NDA, which there is not a _thing_ they can do to make us sign. In other words, once the cat is out of the bag, it is too late (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) A Legalo man is a man who likes Lego but is concerned with Lego Legal matters. A Lego man isn't. His world is building Lego and unless Lego bring out minifig lawyers he has no interest in Lego Legal issues. Tim (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) It was friendly yet concerned, and extremely respectful and gracious. There were no veiled threats of any kind. It was also cordial and affable in spots, without being genial. A large part of it was explanatory. To be sure, it was not (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) You're not seriously advocating that European companies and governments keep no secrets and allow the release of confidential corporate information pell-mell, are you? Bwahaha. best LFB (By the way, great troll!) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) Do you mean why does LUGNET have this policy/requirement as part of the T&C? Because it benefits the community more in the long run to have this requirement in place than not to have it. Or, from a site survivalist point of view, it benefits (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) I've got to champion Todd on this one. He's in a difficult position, given that he's admin of what is not only the most prominent fan site devoted to LEGO, but the *only* one that handles LEGO writ large (FBTB [1] and the like are theme (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) What is a Legalo man? --Todd (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.general)
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Todd Lehman writes: It can also open you up to legal issues. By the way what are the legal issues ? I printed out the new set Information when it briefly appeared on the Lego Site I could scan it and publish it in Lugnet. Is (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Actually, it is the key question in a court case ongoing in NYC right now...Is a link to a site that contains something illegal if a cease and decease order has been granted? I am refering to DeCSS, and www.2600.com, it makes for interesting (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) Because, all things being equal, I think it's morally wrong to delete things, unless required to do so. It can also open you up to legal issues. (...) I believe that it's wiser and safer to require specific documentation and only to delete (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.general)
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Right on Burkhard ! We are Lego Men. Poor old Todd and his friends are Legalo men. (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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A few weeks ago all of the new upcoming sets (including 2001 ones ) appeared in the Lego Online Catalog for Europe. I was so excited that I telephoned Lego in Switzerland asking about delivery and they said they did not know anything abou the new (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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Tim, you're perfectly right. But that's the way it is in USA. It's ridiculous - noone cares about the impressive collection of automatic guns you may have at home, but one wrong word in a public forum, and a dozen of lawyers are breathing down your (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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How about we just call TLG's reaction BAD PUBLIC RELATIONS? I mean, the info has already leaked out, no matter how accurate it is, and having Todd cancel all posts containing a word about the sets is a really POOR idea. Either we're just a couple of (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) I obtained clarification from LSI Legal today on the telephone and it was indeed also true legal request and represented LSI Legal's position. (...) No, it was a formal legal request. And the phone call confirmed this. --Todd (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.general)
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I read with amusement some of the posts on legal matters concerning leaked information. I treat this site as a discussion group. People just talking about Lego etc just as if they were face to face. What has this got to do with lawyers ??? If (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) It's really for however Brad and the community (working together) thinks it best suits the both together. Personally, I would take a debate analzying LD's actions elsewhere and come back and summarize concisely after it concluded, so as not to (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) Why are you so afraid of nuking posts on your own system? Do you really have a legal obligation not to delete posts without a formal legal request? I would only call to confirm if you *disagree* with the request, and want to see if they (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Possibly, but also consider that it is probably far worse to hurt their own legal reputation by letting something like this slide. I can certainly imagine that as part of their investigation and any actions they may take in the future, they (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) That's correct. (...) You can say whatever you like -- but if you post something that infringes on someone's privacy rights and they make a legal request that it be removed, it has to be removed. (...) yes, indeed. I don't know about other (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) No, LEGO asked Todd to remove certain messages on a thread containing confidential information, thus causing them to discontinue to be published, and he complied with that particular specific legal request. --Todd (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) My primary suggestion is to start with the person who posted the information, rather than talking to Todd first. Don't send a threatening legal letter, but nicely say that Lego prefers to keep that information secret, and and ask the poster to (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Why would you think TLC haven't already complain to Target also? (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I just received an email reply from Brad to my earlier message to him today. He reiterated that the original request was a formal legal request and noted that he could not give permission for me to post the contents of the message. He said (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.general)
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exactly... I think Todd did the right thing in responding to LEGO's wishes (formally or informally legal). However, LEGO should have directed this 'problem' at Target - NOT at LUGNET... Just my 2 cents.. Gene (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) That's a question for Brad or LEGO Legal via Brad. I am not a lawyer, so I can't give you legal advice on how not to break the law or how to avoid infringing on the LEGO company's rights. The policy is: Don't infringe on anyone's privacy or (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) Actually, probably a few days. Just spoke with the LSI attorney who Brad consulted with before sending the request, and I got the distinct sense that this is a issue which LEGO wishes to address quickly and devote whatever time and resources (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) <clip> (...) I can say with confidence (because I am in a business where we frequently get prerelease product info and training material that is covered by a non- disclosure agreement) that LEGO has this in place between themselves and Target. (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) <sheepish> Um... OK... I didn't mean that the way it sounded. :-| </sheepish> -Duane (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Is that your policy Todd? Can I talk all of the about the sets that I know about? If we find out about leaked information (from some other site for example), can we talk about that information in other casual conversations on Lugnet? Ben (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.terms)
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You've got a point. IF Jorge Rodriguez was honest about Targets policy I don't think Lego would be so tight up about their sets for next year. Of course, Lego seems pretty bottled up abut everything now a days. ANY WAY, someone's gonna be really (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) Whoa whoa whoa! Watch what you say, please. For the record, I have *NEVER* censored a message here and never will. Any message I have ever removed has been under one of four cases: 1. Someone is unable to cancel their own message for whatever (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Probably not more than another 8 or 9 hours. I sent a polite request to Brad today asking for his permission to post a verbatim copy of his email, and cc'd the LSI attorney who he originally cc'd on his request, and also left a phone message (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Todd, as the big kahuna, has the right to censor messages at his discretion since LUGNET IS afterall, his site. He's done it before, he's done it in this case and I'm sure he'll have to do it again. It's in the best interest of the LUGNET/TLC (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I'm also voting for this. If you (Todd) are going to cancel a post by someone at the behest of Lego (who neither sponsor nor endorse LUGNET), release the legal document asking you to remove it. I suspect that it was in the form of a 'please (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.general)
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i agree completely. i didnt get to see the set info before it was canceled, so i dug around and got it from a confidentail source. This is outragues and i think TLG needs to stop overreacting. ps if you want the set info.. .email (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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