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(...) I got into a big debate in RTL a while back regarding the piece of "art" entitled "LEGODEATH" and what constituted Art and I'm not particularily interested in starting another, but I will say that I *seriously* question the use of LEGO as the (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.general)
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Hello John; I certainly don't want to get into a huge debate with you... :-) But I would be happy to participate in a civilized discussion. I am not one who normally goes to art exhibitions or one who has a passion for art; both viewing and (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John Neal: [ About Zbigniew Libera's Concentration Camp model: (URL) ] (...) I think that is the whole point. Even the "sweet" toys we give kids can be used to depict horrible things. AFAIR Libera also created scenes from mankind's dark side with (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John Neal wrote in message <37F305FB.3B2896F5@u...st.net>... (...) the (...) what (...) porn? To (...) Spielberg's (...) make (...) would (...) I don't know whether anyone can truly say what is and isn't "art", but I strongly agree with the idea (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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My mom gave me this article a few years ago, and I thought it was really unrealistic, because the picture showed the policeman (SS Trooper?) hitting a skeleton minifigure with a club. I also thought it was a bit much for the artist to use LEGO (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) hello, y'all ~ i just posted to RTL yesterday my belief that LEGO is ART... and then i see this thread. i have been an artist my entire life, starting private classes at 12, figure drawing at 16, began working professionally at 19, and now on (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, I both agree and disagree with parts of what you say here. First of all I do believe that LEGO is an art medium. We all build things and many of us put them up for display either on the internet or elsewhere. In my oppinion just the fact (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What does it mean that you question it? My personal take on art is that it can be in any medium. (...) So, if someone epoxied Hot Wheels together in the form of a rhinoceros, it would be somehow inappropriate? (...) Lego, per se, doesn't have (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd say that you were in the right and TLG was in the wrong. (...) In .debate ?!? Are you kidding? ;-) (...) This has been discussed here before: (URL) summary, Libera's motive was to make an *issue* of the recent trivialization of the (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which prompts an interesting question...I wonder if Libera is one of the reasons TLG is so reluctant to respond to AFOL's; maybe everytime someone brings up "bulk orders" or "adults want Lego too" KKK freaks and says "Are you nuts! Remember (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well put, Sproat. WE MUST NEVER FORGET. I'm not 100% sure my parents didn't have some blood on their hands and I'm not 100% sure what to do about it. Interesting op ed piece yesterday analysing Buchanan. Hate that guy but he makes a point that the (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You know my stand on this -- we must intervene because we're in a "brother's keeper" position. Yadda yadda yadda. Old argument. It's an interesting question, though, about the U.S. feeling guilty for our "mismanaged entry" into WWII. We almost (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yep, and you know mine too, we're NOT our brother's keeper but certain levels of Evil require intervention by governments, as they are a disease that may spread... lower levels of evil require that governments not block people volunteering to (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's interesting, then, to note that the Chief Executive of our government has so much invested overseas, e.g. China. I'm sure he had little real influence over our involvement in East Timor, but one has to wonder sometimes... (...) Pretty (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) i haven't been able to stop thinking about the issues presented in this debate, as it concerns the 2 great passsions of my life. i'd like to clarify another term and pose a question. art and illustation are separate things. illustation is a (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The key difference here is that the Holocaust, as bad things go, is pretty much the tops. You can't get badder than that. It's a plateau of nightmares -- once you're at the summit no one can out-climb you. The Holocaust is an event that (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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