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(...) What is your point? That because Playmobil uses flesh tones TLC shouldn't? I'm sorry but I don't get your drift. JOHN (20 years ago, 2-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I think he's saying that if you want fleshtoned figures that have some of the other features you ask for, maybe Playmobil may suit your needs better. I'm not sure I agree. but I am also not sure I think that changing from yellow to fleshtones (...) (20 years ago, 2-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Minifigs are one of the huge appeal of Lego, at least to people from my generation. (The first sets I had had the armless variety.) Mucking with that doesn't seem like a great idea to me either. (20 years ago, 2-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I've had mixed feelings about this, but now I am prepared to welcome the changes. While I love yellow minifigs, I believe having the chance to see skin-toned figures will enhance the realism of the LEGO line. -Tim (20 years ago, 2-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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(...) At this point, I think I'd rather see the line get partially Simpsonized. Mixing yellow with Caucasian or Oriental fleshtones would just look stupid, but Lando has pretty effectively opened the door for at least having brown as a second (...) (20 years ago, 2-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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(...) My point was that at a time when TLC has already made a lot of costly and pointless changes, they shouldn't make any more. The minifig is one of the most recognizable and beloved LEGO products of the last quarter-century. Putting feet on it (...) (20 years ago, 2-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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In lugnet.general, Marc Nelson, Jr. wrote: (snip) (...) That's one way to look at it. Another way would be that they are improving on a good thing. (...) lol Nothing will forstall the destructive actions of that man, the worst enemy blacks ever had. (...) (20 years ago, 2-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I question the need to "enhance" the realism. The Lego world is its *own* very special and unique realism. Changing the minifigs to be more like exact models of the real world rather than abstract (and well-recognized!) representations is a (...) (20 years ago, 2-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) What if it meant more sales and wider appeal? (...) But TLC is already moving in that direction! Take facial expressions on the minifigs. I think these enhance playability (and apparently so does TLC) over a ubiquitous classic smiley. You are (...) (20 years ago, 2-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)
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(...) You mean that if there is a competitor with minifigs being 'more human', children would choose it just for that? In such case everybody would play with Ken & Barbie (pun intended). (...) Oh my. The grins (you call that 'facial expression') are (...) (20 years ago, 2-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Ahhh, but Pandora's box has been opened, and going back is not possible. And frankly, I think it was cowardice to remain "neutral" WRT the racial issue. They simply chose to stick their collective heads in the sand. Look at the figs in the (...) (20 years ago, 3-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Why is going back not possible? If DUPLO can be revived, so can yellow figs (...) We may need to agree to disagree. I know I've taught my children well when they tell me who their friends are without referring to skin color. In an ideal world, (...) (20 years ago, 3-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I think that's unlikely. It certainly *decrease* the appeal to me. That's obviously a small sample size, but I've been right before. :) (...) Possibly. I don't mind the not-exact-classic-smiley faces, but I *do* prefer the ones that are more (...) (20 years ago, 3-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) I've always liked Steve Bliss's idea from 1998 or so: (URL) (As you can see from my reply there. *grin*) But I don't think they're going to do that. (20 years ago, 3-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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(...) ( here goes Ray making yet another offhand/foolish suggestion ) So, TLC appears to be getting into the groove of making things in varying colors (i.e. "Collect the Entire Set!"). So I think they should carry this to the next logical step... (...) (20 years ago, 3-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) They haven't been discontinued AFAIK (...) I'm not really interested in belaboring the point, but I think the message we should be sending our kids is that people should be treated equally, even though they are very different. Having only one (...) (20 years ago, 3-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Yup. :) (20 years ago, 3-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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(...) You are making the case that TLC needs to change in order to get back to profitability. But you are ignoring the fact that TLC was profitable up to the point when it started making radical changes. Those changes were not a response to yearly (...) (20 years ago, 3-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Mark's line of thinking is very much the same as mine and I'd like to add something. The yellow ABS that has made up the minifigs heads and hands for decades are NOT just being used for heads and hands. You have (just about) all sizes of (...) (20 years ago, 3-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Out of curiosity, does anyone suppose that TLG's decision to move toward flesh tones might have been, at least in part, motivated by the fact that successful competitor brands have been marketing flesh-toned figures for years? This, coupled (...) (20 years ago, 3-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)
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(...) Well, I would assume this-- what else would motivate change? "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" (and, of course, it's cheaper to do nothing), and perhaps the concept of all yellow figs isn't necessarily "broke", but perhaps profits are. Perhaps (...) (20 years ago, 3-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)
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(...) Depends upon which changes you are talking about. I would call Bionicle a radical change from System, and yet it is the most popular LEGO line. In any case, you are ignoring the fact that the world has changed radically in the past 20 years. I (...) (20 years ago, 3-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) And of the nightmare at the sorting plant, trying to match up like-colored body parts before packing them in a set. And the nightmare in Customer Affairs, trying to figure out exactly which color head the dog ate. And the nightmare of people (...) (20 years ago, 3-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Oops--my cynicism is showing, alas. All too often, it seems, corporations like to pretend that their biggest changes are entirely driven by internal decisions made in a vacuum; they seldom if ever acknowledge that a competitor's practices are (...) (20 years ago, 3-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)
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(...) It's basically all automated anyway. I figure they can handle it. :) (20 years ago, 3-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Yep, yep, all of the above are quite valid points. Something that occured to me last night... Was Lando the first minifig patterened on a real live person who was not caucasian ? I'm thinking that there were no prior SW movie characters, which (...) (20 years ago, 4-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) It has been proven that a slight hint of yellow is used in school room walls. It helps to foster learning. It's a fact. David Just think outside the box for my e-mail address. (20 years ago, 4-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Apparently it also has a laxative effect. Make of that what you will. A (20 years ago, 4-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) And if you mix it with blue, you get green. Weird, huh? (20 years ago, 4-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Even the hardcore Star Wars LEGO fans are undecided about the Lando fig being "realistic" and not yellow. I like like the fact that minifigs are free of race and any move to change that only hurts the brand. LEGO has lost their focus. They can (...) (20 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)
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(...) I thought that was toilet bowl cleaner and .... Never mind. Mike (20 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I thought that was toilet bowl cleaner and .... Never mind. Mike (20 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I think the point is made clearly with Galidor and Bionicle. Its hit and miss going with radical changes. Lego has always been a consistent seller. The changes of the last 5 years has put Lego in the Red. Rewind to 1998 and start over. Mike (20 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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I have followed this thread and now I want to add my thoughts, for what they are worth. I really like yellow. When I think of a minifig I think of a yellow face. I have, however, been quick to accept the new facial expressions and choose those above (...) (20 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)
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