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(...) If you feel you got your money's worth (~$20/day) from the privilege of attending and participating, does it really matter where the money goes? Unless the event is stated as a charity event (which I don't recall BrickFest ever being billed (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) Yes, it matters to me where the money goes. Why? What do *I* get out of brickfest? I get discounted LEGO, see new LEGO products, display my stuff, see other people's stuff and talk to other LEGO fans. Cheap LEGO - I can always get a friend who (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) I'm not following your reasoning linking what you feel you get (or don't get) and where your money goes. Nevertheless. To make a simple comparison, do you eat at a fast-food restaurant, knowing that your money is not covering just the cost of (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) I will have a chance at the beginning of October. Some things are still being worked out, such as taxes and fees. I already have a rough breakdown of costs based on registration, but there is some undefined info, so I would rather wait until I (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) Very cool Joe, Kudo's for your transparency. As I mentioned, it is my desire to find a way to attend regardless, but it is nice to know where my $ would be going. Karl PS For those of us who would have to fly in, The cost of tickets is a much (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) And for those of us who would have to sleep somewhere, the cost of a hotel room is likely to be at least as big a concern as the plane ticket to get there. And we all have to eat for 3 or 4 days. That pretty much equals the cost of $20/day (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) Thanks for letting us know, Joe. Personally, I'm not concerned about it - from my perspective, any profit from BF'06 is yours to do with as you please. I wouldn't care if you took a vacation to Tahiti with it, or blew it on horse racing. (Not (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) Kelly, you're probably right that BF being a for-profit event shouldn't affect the perceived value of what you get for your registration fee. But it might affect other things. Would people be as willing to volunteer to help run BF if they knew (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) Good question about volunteers. I think it's all about what's expected up front. There are all sorts of reasons why people volunteer for things... if I was doing the same thing as somebody who had a different "deal" with an organizer, I'd feel (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) I don't work for the restaurant when I eat there. Thus this is not a valid comparison. Let's look at it this way: A regular venue, say, a business expo, the attendees are there for personal gain. They pay their entry fee and do their business (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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Anthony Wrote: (...) You are absolutely correct to this point (...) Well to many, including myself, a well run zoo is a cultural resource that has value and needs to be sustained and nurtured. Literally thousands of people volunteer their time and (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) I'm only going to speak (type?) for myself here. I came... because it was fun. A of fun. And I learned an amazing amount of things, and was deeply inspired by a lot of the things I saw (interpretation: I will steal a lot of cool ideas from the (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) "Kids, they are going to call you America's most valuable natural resource. Have you seen what they do to valuable natural resources? The're going to strip mine your souls..." a nice quote from (Bruce) U. Utah Phillips Frankly, though...it (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) As someone would has built a career on trying to understand why consumers/users/fans volunteer to help out the brands they love, this is a fascinating discussion! In order for the process of collaboration to work, what has to happen? Everbody (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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Well, agree or not, Anthony's making a valid point. Some AFOLs may feel used or exploited if the event is a for-profit one, while others don't mind, so long as they get their money's worth. I think the problem is that people don't know. I guess (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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(...) Nor do I. In fact, I encourage it. That means there's even more specific motivation to make things bigger, better, more interesting, etc. (...) Dave, excellent point. (...) I think the reality is that in the earlier days, there was barely (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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(...) Yes, it absolutely does. I expect every cent I put in to go back to the event itself, and not the people running it. The only compensation I expect any staffers to recieve is free entry to the event (since it is more work than play for most of (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) From dictionary.com: em?bez?zle [em-bez-uhl] –verb (used with object), -zled, -zling. to appropriate fraudulently to one's own use, as money or property entrusted to one's care. Which leads to: fraud [frawd] –noun 1. deceit, trickery, sharp (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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(...) Golly Pete In my opinion no monetary compensation for the event coordinator of a major event is akin to slavery. And that is very, very unethical. Once you pay your registration fee to an event you should have no say how, where, or to whom it (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) That's an unrealistic expectation. (...) I look forward to your announcement of your own LEGO-related event, I'd like to see how that works for you. Good luck with that. (...) Tommy said it well... how can you embezzle your own money? (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) Slavery is not voluntary, and they CHOSE to participate, as did everyone else on staff. Staffing a convention is not employment, it is a voluntary service to better the hobby. In addition, the money is the *event's* money, not any one (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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You've never run an event have you Jeff? First off, an event for more than 800 attendees has some expenses other than just the 'space' for panels, displays etc. Quite a few.Start with insurance., now I'm not sure about Virginia, but in my area the (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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(...) It's not THAT unrealistic, as Jeff mentioned that he attends other fan events where the organizers work on a volunteer basis. (...) You're right - Christina/Joe/whoever could take the accumulated funds from BF and write themselves a check for (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) I can understand this, but at the end of the day there are benefits in both models: 1. A for-profit has an economic incentive to continue developing positive, fulfilling events. 2. A non-profit model had a higher chance of powering through (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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I am really sad that these comments about Brickfest and if Christina and/or Joe are keeping profits and if volunteers are being shafted while whomever is profiting from Brickfest are being spoken. At this point, I don't care. I HAVE attended BF for (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) Yeah, I mean geez, I spent almost $125 on gas for the 2250 miles of driving I did to/from/around BF, so the $60 in reg was piddling. Not to mention I saved more than the reg fees Thurs night at the Lego store by far ;-) And the buffet during (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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(...) Where do you get these ideas? They're *opinions*, not fact. Of course staffing a convention can be employment. It doesn't *have* to be payment-free or volunteer work. And event money *can* go to paying staff. Do you not understand that (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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(...) Well Anthony, I am sorry you feel that way, but I will tell you from my own personal experience that I, as a strong participant in AFOL events, have helped arrange, coordinate, setup, present, book, organize, and generally help any way I can. (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX) !
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(...) Joe, thanks for the info-note. I'm honestly one of those who believe that organizers should be compensated, at least 100% of their expenses (including mileage, phone, plane, etc), but I also hope that Brickfest can start maintaining a "cash (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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(...) That's fine. More food and walking space for the rest of us. (18 years ago, 11-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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I've been reading this dicussion, and have a few thoughts: First off, a consideration of what the event coordinator has to put in: - A fair bit of time, sure, not 1000s of hours (for one event), 1000s of hours is a full time job... Hundreds of hours (...) (18 years ago, 11-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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(...) I was the one who came up with thousands of hours, and I actually thought about it before writing it which is a bit unusual with me. I was thinking of Christina's total input of hours for the last 5 or is it 6 years. And I would bet she has (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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In lugnet.events, Anthony Sava wrote: Snip (...) After lamblasting Anthony for his estimate of time, I would like to support him a little on his arguement here. I think it is a little disengenous for an organizer not to be upfront with where the (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) Why? Still not following the logic. As an attendee, I paid my money and received value, and my hobby is being furthered by positive public attention. As a volunteer, I get warm fuzzies and the adoration of my peers for participating in such a (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) You don't think there's anything wrong with acting like a nonprofit but operating as a private, for-profit enterprise? The IRS would like to have a stern talk with you. Not that BF has been pretending to be a nonprofit, but I don't think the (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) "Because I'll be more likely to help if I know", "Because I'll be more likely to donate if I know", "Because I'd be willing to pay more if I know", "Because I'm more likely to attend if I know". You're absoutely right-- It's a capitalist (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) You bet they would. But BF has always been a privately held company, as far as I know, and never a non-profit. Being a non-profit requires specific paperwork (like what LEGOFan filed). So unless BF filed as non-profit, that's not an issue. (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) Those are all decent answers. It sounds like there's a discrepancy of tense... my comments in this thread have all been aimed at the past tense, why should an attendee of an event want to know information about what they've just attended. (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) It started out as an event (URL) run by a local LUG>. I'm not sure when or how the transition happened. The fact that BF was a business has been out there for a while - if you were looking for it. But BF has never felt like a business, what (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) Never said it was an ideal scenario. I was just pointing out what is rather than what might be preferred. And the way it is right now is that the intellectual property for the name "BrickFest" is held by AMH Productions, who holds all the (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) Well... yeah? Shouldn't we be talking about consequence? (...) Oh, I'm not referring to any actions specifically-- I'm following what appears to be your stance to its absolutist conclusions to test the validity of your claim. Your claim (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) Sure, but that's a slightly different conversation. (...) I'm a heartless bastard. Ask my kids. :) You're free to draw the above conclusion, although it's incorrect. The conversation has morphed into something different from what I thought I (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) The phrase "BrickFest is a Trademark of Brick Events LLC" started showing up on the website by (URL) July 19, 2002> at the latest. The (URL) Wayback Machine> isn't showing me the results for the beginning of 2002. The 2002 event was the first (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) I'm pretty sure BrickFest 2000 had a registration fee. I know that it was pointed out at one point that even in 2000, the facility was NOT free (I had been under that impression, and I know when conversation started about BF2001, perhaps even (...) (18 years ago, 13-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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(...) Thanks, Frank, and sorry about the mistake. I had no recollection of the fees, and was just going by (URL) exchange> - which I thought pertained to the registration, but since there was a fee in 2001, they must have meant that the space was (...) (18 years ago, 13-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) SPACE!!! ROSCO (18 years ago, 13-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, lugnet.fun, lugnet.space, FTX) !
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(...) LOL (18 years ago, 13-Sep-06, to lugnet.fun, lugnet.space, FTX)
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(...) --SNIP-- (...) From (URL) allied by nature; having the same properties: Something akin to vertigo was troubling her. If you're going to go to the trouble of using the dictionary on one word at least take the time to use it on those preceeding (...) (18 years ago, 13-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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(...) snip... (...) Hi Joe, I was wondering if this ever happened? I cannot seem to find any posts to that effect. It could probably be of use to all of those planning several new events this year in the fact that they will have a point of (...) (18 years ago, 16-Feb-07, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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(...) This never happened because I never got complete bookkeeping from our financial person. However, I can give you the following information off the top of my head: BrickFest 2006 got its space by working out a deal with the hotel. For x number (...) (18 years ago, 16-Feb-07, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX) !
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(...) I've had quite of a few people ping me directly regarding Joe’s post about the registration fees for Brickfest ’06. Rather than reply personally to everyone (and to re-direct future inquiries), I thought I should clarify my past and current (...) (18 years ago, 19-Feb-07, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, lugnet.general, FTX)
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