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| | | (...) definatly do not use verdana. use the deafult. i use netscape on a win95 system and do not have verdana installed. others may be the same. (25 years ago, 9-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | | (...) Please remember that you can define more than one type-face in HTML. For example: <FONT FACE="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> or in CSS: BODY { font: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif } That way the font should show up correctly for just about (...) (25 years ago, 9-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Tim Courtney
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| | | | (...) Ok. I will design it with both Verdana and Arial in mind. The last thing we need is another Times New Roman page on the web :| AACK! Thanx for the pointers about CSS.. Keep Building!! -Tim <>< (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 You've seen their (...) (25 years ago, 10-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | (...) Hey, there's nothing wrong with Times -- it just depends how you use it. In most occurrences, it's not used to its full potential. If you've got a large amount of body-text meant to be read sequentially, then Times is a great choice -- and (...) (25 years ago, 11-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | (...) But Verdana can be easily misused when it falls into the wrong hands. Just look at most of my webpages as an example. They're generally pretty bad. (URL), if you don't believe me. Steve (25 years ago, 12-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Tim Rueger
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| | | | | | (...) Hmm. Seems to me the whole typography thing goes against the grain of how the web was conceived. Isn't HTML supposed to be a description of how a page is rendered, with the particular web browser deciding on fonts? FWIW, Steve's page looks (...) (25 years ago, 16-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) Indeed it does go against the original intentions/conceptions. (...) Long ago it was supposed to be that way. But that was when physicists, mathematicians, and programmers were the only people using the web. It's possible (maybe even easy) to (...) (25 years ago, 16-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Tim Rueger
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| | | | | | | (...) All true. It's the "careful attention to backward compatibility" that bugs me. HTML is supposed to be device independent, so you don't *need* to worry about these details. Sure, tags enable new features without breaking older browsers, but you (...) (25 years ago, 17-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) It still is, and you still don't need to unless you really want to. That's the winning beauty of it. Unfortunately, when people ignore compatibility, it's usually that they're using new features and forgetting about backward compatibility (...) (25 years ago, 17-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Tim Rueger
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| | | | | | | | (...) Websites that intentionally exclude the largest possible audience will lose in the marketplace. eBay, Amazon, and Yahoo seem to do just fine with plain old HTML, why shouldn't anyone else? (...) The designer had better be serious about those (...) (25 years ago, 19-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I disagree. First, whether or not a website loses in the marketplace has little to do with whether the exclusion of the largest possible audience was intentional or unintentional, right? :) Second, for the largest possible audience, you would (...) (25 years ago, 19-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) Say, what do you think about HTML/XML extensions for doing line-art? (I mean official extensions, of course -- if they can be standardized upon. There are so many people competing for this right now, it frightens me.) Anyway, it's not that (...) (25 years ago, 19-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Alan Shutko
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Actually, my biggest complaint these days is their latency. It takes so long to download 30 little gifs used to put together a page on a modem. And I'd _love_ to have some fast connection, but the only one available here is a T1. And those (...) (25 years ago, 20-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | (...) In theory, a bunch of small GIFs -should- load quickly with a page, right? As long as both the client & server are using HTTP 1.1 and Keep-Alive? I know what you mean, though... What a gunky thing to see a bunch of little image icons on a page (...) (25 years ago, 20-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Tim Rueger
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| | | | | | | | (...) A great idea. I know of one proposed standard, from Adobe, Netscape, and IBM - PGML (precision graphics markup language). The W3 proposal is at: (URL) back to the "old technology browsers" thing, I'm glad we've agreed to disagree. :^) However, (...) (25 years ago, 22-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | (...) We probably agree more on the basic principles than it seems. :) I agree with all the ideals -- I just don't see the ideals being fully idealized forever, what with all the sorts of bozo stuff going on like Active-X (glorified MS-OLE, which is (...) (25 years ago, 4-May-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Tim Rueger
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| | | | | | | | (...) OOOO! Tufte *rocks*. I've got two of his books (Visual Display of Quanititative Information and Visual Explanations), and they are just a total joy to read and look at. Check out Tomalak's Realm, too: (URL) got pointed to it (and JN) by Dave (...) (25 years ago, 5-May-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | (...) Yeah, even those cute little error messages with the bombs on them are adorable. :) (25 years ago, 17-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | WOT: Futurama (was Re: Typefaces: Verdana vs. Times) —Tim Rueger
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| | | | | | (...) Did you see Futurama earlier this week? Fry and Leela were put on trial in a robot court, with an obviously-ancient Mac as the presiding judge. It even system-bombed during its deliberations, with the authentic Mac Plus tone. -Tim (Followups (...) (25 years ago, 22-Apr-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | Tim: (...) I haven't got any of these for Netscape and I run lynx with a plain sans serif fixed width font I don't know the name of. :-) And lynx is just another browser. I am using version 2.8.1pre.9 (10 Oct 1998). You can find information about (...) (25 years ago, 12-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | | (...) Doesn't your system have any font-substitution macros? I didn't know mine did until I ran across it, but it does (for example Helvetica -> Arial, Tms -> Times) (...) How advanced is lynx? Is it text-only? How well does it implement the w3 (...) (25 years ago, 13-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | Bram Lambrecht (braml@juno.com) wrote: [...] (...) Could be. (...) It implements all of HTML 4.0, including the Link element which Netscape and MSIE just ignores. I haven't noticed any use of CSS. HTML documents are presented as plain text and (...) (25 years ago, 13-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | [ldraw.org] Browsers and CSS(was: Re: Ldraw.org: Organization and look & feel) —Tim Courtney
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| | | | (...) I looked into CSS today and think it would be very useful in keeping the pages clean and allowing a universal across-the-board look and feel. The method I would use would be the one .css file that the html references to and that can be changed (...) (25 years ago, 14-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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