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(...) I was just pointing out that the clippability of transparent surfaces is a feature of the rendering program, and shouldn't be assumed in the description language. Steve (25 years ago, 8-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Checking the order of points in a file should not depend on checking the inversion or subfiles for the file. That's why we've been talking about the 0 FACE UNKNOWN -- so parts of files can be fixed, even if the entire file can't be addressed. (...) (25 years ago, 8-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Comprehensive meta-command list
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Gary Williams wrote in message ... (...) "...not dependent on any other file..." Well, I hope you agree that files depend on the inside/outside-definition of subfiles? Otherwise a file wouldn't know whether or not to use the INVERT. /Lars (25 years ago, 8-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Lars C. Hassing wrote in message <939367581.966085@ns.cci.dk>... (...) In addition to being easier to comprehend, it has the advantage that each part and primitive file only has to concern itself with its own vertex order, and is not dependent on (...) (25 years ago, 8-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Rui Martins wrote in message ... (...) You mean six of one, half a dozen of the other. :) (...) it (...) Using 0 FACE CW|CCW|DS|UNKNOWN will also keep backward compatibility. Either way though, some quadrilaterals will need to be manually tweaked (...) (25 years ago, 8-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Track parts naming scheme survey
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Manfred: (...) Why is it labeled "4.5V"? It works quite fine for 12V trains too (just to make sure we get a long discussion :-). (...) Yes. We might want to remember the 12V power tracks too. (...) Actually I distinguish between "unpowered", "12V", (...) (25 years ago, 8-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Hello all We have another fine naming issue on our hand, which is always good for a lively discussion tread :-) The issue is about the parts from the group "Train Track 4.5V". I believe two different types are known here: 1- the oldest "Blue" type (...) (25 years ago, 8-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: CW/CCW, vertex sequence, co-planar, convex
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Jacob Sparre Andersen wrote in message ... (...) Certified primitives are harmless when used by old uncertified parts, so there's no need to create special certified versions. And in stead of fixing parts to reference the new names, you might just (...) (25 years ago, 8-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I agree with this. (...) that' wright, a program supporting transparent colors correctly (using alpha blending) would do this just wright. A 3D card here would do wounders ! (did I spell that wright?) (...) Agreeing again! Rui Martins (25 years ago, 8-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Thanks! (...) I knew that ! ;) (...) LDraw doesn't, but this specification is for new Programs which are backwards compatible with Ldraw, but with a bunch of new enhancements. Check the instructions of any LEGO MODEL and you will see an (...) (25 years ago, 8-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Lars mentions the problem of "uncertified" parts using "certified" primitives. Is it so much of a problem? <much thinking> I can't find any other easy solution than using different names for the "certified" versions of the _primitives_. That way we (...) (25 years ago, 8-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Gary Williams wrote in message ... (...) Well, inside/outside-ness also counts. It doesn't make sense to certify a part before ALL its subfiles have defined what is inside/outside. Until then you cannot determine whether or not you need any INVERTS. (...) (25 years ago, 8-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: CW/CCW, vertex sequence, co-planar, convex, (115kB)
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Gary Williams wrote in message ... (...) I agree with Gary that mirroring should not turn subfiles inside-out. The rendering program should correct (C)CW-ness by looking at the transformation. Part authors should use the INVERT for explicitly (...) (25 years ago, 8-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Gary Williams wrote in message ... (...) Well, my assumption was that CCW was the default and that the current facing was passed to the subfile. Under these circumstances I think that my two examples are equivalent! But I admit that the idea that (...) (25 years ago, 8-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I believe this is incorrect, no? ALL transparent surfaces should appear, if only to make a contribution to the color that underlying surfaces appear to be (consider a trans blue surface in front of a trans yellow in front of a white... ) (...) (25 years ago, 7-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Lots of good stuff in your post, Rui! (...) (Side note: there are not actually any solids in LDraw. Only lines and polygons). (...) Actually, since LDraw doesn't do shading, transparent surfaces *can* be clipped. Only edges, the top-most solid (...) (25 years ago, 7-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Hidden surface removal, and vertex order in part/primitive DAT files
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(...) Thank you very much! Steve (25 years ago, 7-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Sun's implementations are free. Some others are not. Personally I use Sun's jdks... Have a look at: (2 URLs) you are under a Windows environment As a reply to Leonardo msg: You are right, but I encourage newcomers to the Java language to use (...) (25 years ago, 6-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Hidden surface removal, and vertex order in part/primitive DAT files
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(...) In this sense we agree! It would be a shame if after a so long emails exchange we didn't ;-) (...) I read .dat files in the std LDraw folders, and simply output oriented .dat files in another one. For duplicate instances, I use a folder name (...) (25 years ago, 6-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Clipping / CCW / CW / INVERT [DAT]
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First, let me apologise, if you get this message twice. It seams that the old e-Mail address (L-CAD@LISTSERV.UH.EDU) does not work completelly. Because I got the message back, but couldn't see it in www.lugnet.com/cad/dev note: i am subscribed in (...) (25 years ago, 6-Oct-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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