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Re: ring 3 to 5
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Fri, 3 May 2002 15:47:28 GMT
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In lugnet.cad.dat.parts.primitives, Chris Dee wrote:
In lugnet.cad.dat.parts.primitives, Steve Bliss writes:
Actually, for rounded elements, it's almost always[1] preferable to use
primitives.  That way, programs that do primitives substitution can replace
the polygonal primitive with a true round object.

There are some complex curved parts (e.g. most of the minifig headwear, the
minifig arm I'm working on right now, some wheels) where some regions can be
represented by the regular cyli, disc, cyls, cyls2 primitives, but there will
be regions that no amount of twisting or stretching can handle - and these have
do be done as polygons, and cannot be substituted. Then there will be gaps !

Very true.  In some cases (like the minifig arms), is it better to go
with an all-polygon approach, or to use primitives as much as possible
and fill in the rest with polygons?

Also, where any rectilinear region intersects with a curved region the
intersection edge should be different when rendered with the 16-agon
primitives, to when rendered with substituted "true" curved surfaces. Such
support is generally not written into the DAT file.

When filling in around a hole in a flat surface, one should 'always' use
the X-4ndis.dat primitives.  These are the only primitives that
'convert' from a round edge to a rectilinear edge.

In other cases, overlap can be written into the part.  Or should we be
thinking about a 'phantom' primitive, that would serve to inform
primitive-substitutors that there are polygons adjoining a curved
surface?  Something like:

   1 16 0 0 0 10 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 10 ring4.dat
   1 16 0 0 0 10 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 10 ring4go.dat

Where the real file ring4go.dat is empty, but is a signal to
primitive-substitutors that the issue of gaps on the outside of the
primitive need to be addressed.

This could also be done as a meta-statement:

   0 FILLGAPS OUTER
   1 16 0 0 0 10 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 10 ring4.dat

Where the FILLGAPS meta-statement would direct the primitive-substitutor
to generate surface around the outside of the following primitive to
fill any gaps between the true round surface and LDraw's polygonal
approximation.

Steve



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  Re: ring 3 to 5
 
(...) have (...) Are you suggesting that there is (should be) a command to prevent primitive substitution, or that the primitive should be inlined? (...) Agreed. What I was more thinking of is the situation (in the minifig arm) where one region is (...) (23 years ago, 4-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts.primitives)

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  Re: ring 3 to 5
 
(...) There are some complex curved parts (e.g. most of the minifig headwear, the minifig arm I'm working on right now, some wheels) where some regions can be represented by the regular cyli, disc, cyls, cyls2 primitives, but there will be regions (...) (23 years ago, 3-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts.primitives)

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