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| | | (...) A little bit, not a lot. We have MSIE4.5 and MSIE3 for MacOS here, and I can still run MSIE3 under Win32/Win95 on an old box. (...) Lowest common demominator first, then frills. (...) But it also defined the browser in the early days. MS (...) (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | Re: Why MSIE sucks for the HTML writer —Mike Stanley
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| | | | (...) IE 4.5 on the Mac almost approaches the level of non sucking. Stay away from Outlook Express, though. I honestly can't believe you're making broad sweeping comments about "braindead bugs" in a program that you don't even have available for (...) (25 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Why MSIE sucks for the HTML writer —Todd Lehman
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| | | | (...) Once a bug, always a bug. That's the way it is serving HTML, until an old release trickles off to zero. MSIE3 is still buggy and still in use. I titled the subject "Why MSIE sucks for the HTML *writer*" not "Why MSIE sucks for the user". (...) (...) (25 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Why MSIE sucks for the HTML writer —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | (...) I should have titled the subject, "Why I continue to be frustrated with MSIE as much as I ever have been, while others continue to be progressively less frustrated with MSIE." Or maybe just kept it to myself. --Todd (25 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Why MSIE sucks for the HTML writer —Shiri Dori
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| | | | | | (...) <grin> Do you mean that other people have moved to newer versions, but you still have to be in sync with older ones? (...) Maybe... <grin again> -Shiri (25 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Why MSIE sucks for the HTML writer —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) Yes, partially that. But I still prefer Mozilla 4.7 (a.k.a. Netscape Navigator 4.7) and the Milestone versions of Mozilla 5 over any MSIE, just on principle. Plus, MS hasn't even released MSIE for my operating system, so I couldn't run it on (...) (25 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Why MSIE sucks for the HTML writer —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) Errk, too many pints this evening. That should say, (not that anyone cares), "I keep an old _Windows_ system around for regression tests before cutting in major new code changes." I don't run Windows daily anymore, but it's still very (...) (25 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Why MSIE sucks for the HTML writer —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) Generally, it seems like a good idea to me to test more heavily on older browsers when backward compatibility is crucial, since the rendering and UI type of bugs tend to go away rather than to appear over time. Obviously you can't test (...) (25 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Why MSIE sucks for the HTML writer —Tim Rueger
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| | | | | | (...) *Snort*. So _you_ say. My opinions on web-browser-war "features" are on record here. -Tim (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Why MSIE sucks for the HTML writer —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | (...) That's just staggeringly unbelievable. Not that you aren't reporting the stats you have, of course, I trust you and your server. But to think that people would still be using it. I have to assume they're using a computer over which they have (...) (25 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Why MSIE sucks for the HTML writer —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) I hafta agree, it's pretty crazy. What shipped with the original Win95? Was it MSIE2 or MSIE1? Probably quite a few old machines out there with old Win95 installations on 486's & Pentium 60's with 4MB/8MB RAM...? (...) Hee hee. That makes (...) (25 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | MSIE & AOL/WebTV/SunOS —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | (...) Hmm, interesting: Appears as though the MSIE2 users got that browser as part of an old AOL release... Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 2.1; AOL 3.0; Mac_PPC) Looks like there are also a number of WebTV users with MSIE2... Mozilla/3.0 WebTV/1.2 (...) (25 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: MSIE & AOL/WebTV/SunOS —John Robert Blaze Kanehl
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Todd, Just curious... Will the continued evolution of Lugnet render me incapable of accessing this site in the near future? (webtvs incompatability w/ java and the new FLASH images preclude me from viewing some websites, even www.Lego.com) Are (...) (25 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: MSIE & AOL/WebTV/SunOS —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I hope not!!! (...) We've no near-term plans for adding Java or Flash. (...) Statistically significant, yes. Difficult to tell how many, though. One small statistic: In the past 16 hours there have been hits from 572 different WebTV IP (...) (25 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: MSIE & AOL/WebTV/SunOS —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Correction: No near-term plans for adding Java, and no plans whatsoever for adding Flash. Any Java would also be purely optional as some sort of enhancement or game. --Todd (25 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: MSIE & AOL/WebTV/SunOS —John Robert Blaze Kanehl
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Thank the gods! (...) I guess I may be responsible for 10 -20 percent of the webtv hits.. (...) I think your assessment would be correct...I am extreme in my habits though...My connection terminates for phone calls and times out after 5 mins (...) (25 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: MSIE & AOL/WebTV/SunOS —Craig Hamilton
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) i hope not too! i'd be at a loss without lugnet! i must dial up 572 times a day... (...) or just a number of significant members? ;-) (...) oops! (hee-he-he!) (...) yeah, seriously that's about it. sometimes more; sometimes less. oftentimes my (...) (25 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: MSIE & AOL/WebTV/SunOS —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I had to read those acronyms a couple of times before proper decoding occurred. It's hard to believe that MS let those out the door. WINCE, indeed. :) Steve (25 years ago, 20-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: MSIE & AOL/WebTV/SunOS —Richard Franks
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| | | | | | | | (...) Yeah, they had it at my old work.. I heard that it staggered like a lame dog that had just licked up one broken bottles worth of whisky, and had currently forgotten that it had only three legs. I never tried it though, I was happy with (...) (25 years ago, 19-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Why MSIE sucks for the HTML writer —Susan Hoover
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| | | | | | (...) Neither. To get IE, you had to buy the Plus! pack. (MS's bang, not mine.) (25 years ago, 20-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Why MSIE sucks for the HTML writer —Mike Stanley
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| | | | (...) Just a followup question - do those numbers reflect unique IP addresses? Not really a perfect way to determine if they're really unique people since most people get a different IP each time they connect with their dial-up provider, but I guess (...) (25 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Why MSIE sucks for the HTML writer —Todd Lehman
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| | | | (...) Good question. Over a short period of time (such as a day) I think the proxy servers at big places like AOL end up drawfing the "dialup double-ups." But that's just a hunch. BTW, in the past 2 weeks, one single IP address (of the zillions that (...) (25 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Why MSIE sucks for the HTML writer —Todd Lehman
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| | | | (...) Here are some numbers from 77 days (11 weeks) of HTTP logs... DYOC, but it looks to me like Microsoft is winning. --Todd ___...___ 13833968 HTTP requests - 1 Jan 2000 through 17 Mar 2000 - www.lugnet.com Notes: 1. The browser brands below are (...) (25 years ago, 19-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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