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Re: Why MSIE sucks for the HTML writer
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lugnet.admin.general
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Sat, 18 Mar 2000 04:43:38 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.general, Mike Stanley writes:
> I honestly can't believe you're making broad sweeping comments about
> "braindead bugs" in a program that you don't even have available for
> testing. I don't use Communicator/Navigator AT ALL for my own
> personal use, but I keep it installed (up to the current version - I'm
> not that concerned about older versions) so I can check every now and
> then to see if my teeny-tiny websites look readable with it.
Once a bug, always a bug. That's the way it is serving HTML, until an old
release trickles off to zero. MSIE3 is still buggy and still in use.
I titled the subject "Why MSIE sucks for the HTML *writer*" not "Why MSIE
sucks for the user".
> You're running a site with thousands of users and you don't even have
> the current version (or even the one behind it) of IE for Wintel
> installed just to open up the pages and check them? Wow. And your
> slamming it for bugs in old versions is more based in disappointment
> than hatred?
3% of the MSIE hits on the server are from MSIE3. The bugs are therefore
still current and still very much very suckful.
Many of the MSIE problems in 3 are also rendering issues that I would *really*
not expect MS ever to change, for backward compatibility reasons. They'll
just always be a little different from NN, I fear. Mozilla's rendering
engine, OTOH, totally rocks, from what I've seen.
> Sounds to me like you aren't bothering to give the last two versions
> of IE a chance. Surely you have the bandwidth available to download it?
Lowest common denominominator is first priority. Second priority is frills
in NN & Mozilla. Last priority is frills in MSIE.
Once a bug in MSIE, always a bug, from the server's point of view, except in
cases where it makes sense to examine and branch on the MSIE version number.
Case in point: Yahoo! still has a "Search" button on their form. There's
probably a very real and practical reason for this. I wish I knew what it
was.
> You can get stats on which browsers hit your pages, right? I'd be
> interested in knowing how many IE 3/4/5 browsers hit you. Not too
> concerned with the Netscape side, but they'd be interesting to see.
Today:
MSIE2 - 118 - 4.1%
MSIE3 - 62 - 2.2%
MSIE4 - 831 - 29.1%
MSIE5 - 1848 - 64.6%
Almost 200 people running old MSIE.
--Todd
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Message has 3 Replies:
 | | Re: Why MSIE sucks for the HTML writer
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| (...) I should have titled the subject, "Why I continue to be frustrated with MSIE as much as I ever have been, while others continue to be progressively less frustrated with MSIE." Or maybe just kept it to myself. --Todd (24 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
| | | Re: Why MSIE sucks for the HTML writer
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| (...) That's just staggeringly unbelievable. Not that you aren't reporting the stats you have, of course, I trust you and your server. But to think that people would still be using it. I have to assume they're using a computer over which they have (...) (24 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
| | | Re: Why MSIE sucks for the HTML writer
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| (...) Just a followup question - do those numbers reflect unique IP addresses? Not really a perfect way to determine if they're really unique people since most people get a different IP each time they connect with their dial-up provider, but I guess (...) (24 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | Re: Why MSIE sucks for the HTML writer
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| (...) IE 4.5 on the Mac almost approaches the level of non sucking. Stay away from Outlook Express, though. I honestly can't believe you're making broad sweeping comments about "braindead bugs" in a program that you don't even have available for (...) (24 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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