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| | | (...) Wow! Thanks for noticing and pointing out that these have gone missing. (...) There's actually no expiry mechanism for LUGNET news articles. However, it's possible to cancel an article on a case-by-case basis using a script internally. The (...) (2 weeks ago, 9-Jun-26, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | Re: Posts expiring? —N. W. Perry
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| | | | | (...) Thanks! Just happy to know it's unintentional and not a sign of anything going away. Having this information still accessible is a wonderful thing; takes me back to better days of the Internet. :-) (2 weeks ago, 9-Jun-26, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | Re: Posts expiring? —Gereon "Jerry" Stein
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| | | | (...) Interesting that there should be _missing_ posts after all these years. I had encountered a major hang in the internals of the news system the other day and resolved the same - for reasons entirely mystic to me that must have triggered (...) (2 weeks ago, 9-Jun-26, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Posts expiring? —N. W. Perry
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| | | | | (...) It's a pretty funny coincidence, actually. I'd been going over old archives of RTL(1) and then more recently LUGNET(2) as it came into being in 1998. At the same time, I happened to be chatting with Todd about something completely unrelated, (...) (2 weeks ago, 9-Jun-26, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Posts expiring? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) Aw, man, I hear that. If only we'd kept a fork of RTL on here as an archive -- then it would still all be accessible. I think that was actually suggested or considered at one point, but the problem was huge volumes of spam, which was one of (...) (2 weeks ago, 9-Jun-26, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Posts expiring? —N. W. Perry
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| | | | | | (...) Funny, I had just finished reading the first big round of discussion on this (Jan '99). At the time the major issue was cross-posting; RTL wasn't yet overtaken by spam, but mostly just auction postings and clueless newbies (the regulars all (...) (2 weeks ago, 10-Jun-26, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Posts expiring? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | (...) Thanks for the quick restoral, Jerry! I wonder if it's possible to do a 'diff' on the tree of articles (old/new, where "old" points at the backup) to see if any others accidentally went missing (ignoring files that match the name "1" or "2")? (...) (2 weeks ago, 9-Jun-26, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Another missing message (was Re: Posts expiring?) —N. W. Perry
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| | | | | | (...) Oops, I just found another missing message: lugnet.announce:37 So that may be a worthwhile idea, as there are almost certainly more. By the way, the subject of that message was "Disclosure of your real name"--I was just trying to figure out (...) (2 weeks ago, 9-Jun-26, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Another missing message (was Re: Posts expiring?) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) Wow, that's odd. Thanks for noticing and reporting. (...) Thanks again! I don't know if it's a clue that will be ultimately useful, but it's definitely intriguing. The post absolutely should not be missing, and its absence is indicative of a (...) (2 weeks ago, 10-Jun-26, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.nntp)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Another missing message (was Re: Posts expiring?) —Gereon "Jerry" Stein
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| | | | | | | (...) "odd" is a very fitting term I should say. I've done a compare with the oldest available live backup and found a total of _three_ articles missing, namely: ./lugnet/announce/brickset/3 ./lugnet/announce/37 ./lugnet/disney/125 These have now (...) (2 weeks ago, 10-Jun-26, to lugnet.admin.nntp)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Another missing message (was Re: Posts expiring?) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) Thank you, Jerry! <3 <3 <3 --Todd (2 weeks ago, 10-Jun-26, to lugnet.admin.nntp)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Another missing message (was Re: Posts expiring?) —N. W. Perry
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| | | | | | | | (...) Yes, thank you! Although I'm not sure we would have missed that one from /disney… ;-) (2 weeks ago, 10-Jun-26, to lugnet.admin.nntp)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Another missing message (was Re: Posts expiring?) —N. W. Perry
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| | | | | | (...) That message was definitely there just the other day, my newsreader downloaded it, marked it read, etc. (and I also specifically remember reading it). So it went AWOL the same time as those other ones on Monday. I notice that that message (...) (2 weeks ago, 10-Jun-26, to lugnet.admin.nntp)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Another missing message (was Re: Posts expiring?) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) Thank you, Nathan! I think we have our smoking gun. Inside an older snapshot, I just did this: $ cd news/art/lugnet/announce $ grep ^Expires: * 1:Expires: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 00:00:00 GMT 2:Expires: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 00:00:00 GMT 37:Expires: Fri, 1 (...) (2 weeks ago, 10-Jun-26, to lugnet.admin.nntp)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Another missing message (was Re: Posts expiring?) —N. W. Perry
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| | | | | | (...) Huh. I wonder why that message 37 got an Expires header, but no others? Copy/paste remnant?? (...) I'm not sure why, but I am pretty sure you did it on purpose: https://news.lugnet....eral/?n=38 :-) (...) Yeah, they do break the pattern, don't (...) (2 weeks ago, 10-Jun-26, to lugnet.admin.nntp)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Another missing message (was Re: Posts expiring?) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) I wonder that, too. According to the articles, headers, it was posted via NNTP over TCP/IP using an NNTP client called Forte, rather than generated via script on the server via internal article injection like the 1/2 articles were. There's (...) (2 weeks ago, 10-Jun-26, to lugnet.admin.nntp)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Another missing message (was Re: Posts expiring?) —N. W. Perry
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| | | | | | (...) Oh, here's what must the problem: this message (of all messages, irony of ironies) is missing its X-Real-Life-Name header. It must have suffered an existential crisis and imploded. :-D (2 weeks ago, 11-Jun-26, to lugnet.admin.nntp)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Another missing message (was Re: Posts expiring?) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) You have a very keen eye! That is interesting and ironic indeed! The post says the feature "was recently added" (past tense), which means that lugnet.announce:37 should have had that header inserted. In fact, #36 and #38 (before and after) (...) (2 weeks ago, 11-Jun-26, to lugnet.admin.nntp)
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| | | | | | | | Arcane technical history of LUGNET —N. W. Perry
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| | | | | | (...) That, or an insistent mind. ;-) (...) Yeah, this is what I was noticing earlier, that I thought might be a clue to the problem. (I now think it's a mirage, a nothing-burger.) "Recently added" turns out to be 9/30/98, two days after launch; (...) (2 weeks ago, 11-Jun-26, to lugnet.admin.nntp)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Arcane technical history of LUGNET —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) Both are good! (...) Hmm, ya, unfortunately we didn't keep records on that, but I *think* it only applied forward...but if anything retroactively were applied, I reckon it would have been only in cases where someone had disclosed the (...) (2 weeks ago, 11-Jun-26, to lugnet.admin.nntp)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Arcane technical history of LUGNET —N. W. Perry
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| | | | | | (...) I did, actually. The Wayback Machine has also been helpful in my trip down memory lane, and an early "What's New on LUGNET" page mentions it. :-) (...) 'Twould be interesting to read, I've no doubt! I mentioned before about the RTL archive, (...) (1 week ago, 12-Jun-26, to lugnet.admin.nntp)
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| | | | | | Re: Posts expiring? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | (...) One thing worth a quick check inside is the directory news/art/control If the articles were cancelled maliciously from the outside by forgery (somehow) of cancel-request messages from <news@lugnet.com>, this directory would contain a log of (...) (2 weeks ago, 9-Jun-26, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.nntp)
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| | | | | | Re: Posts expiring? —Gereon "Jerry" Stein
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| | | | Todd, thanks for the pointer - I have checked the directory and the last cancel request in there came in back in 2008 (!) so I think it can be ruled out that it happened via that route. I'm putting aside an archive of the last backup before the fix (...) (2 weeks ago, 9-Jun-26, to lugnet.admin.nntp)
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