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(...) TIM, People FEAR repercussions and choose to remail veiled!!! To call them cowards is insulting. I dont come at this lightly, AND I am certainly NOT alone. (...) ON line, Lar HAS contributed much. I agree, BUT that does not make this statement (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Then let them come forward with *constructive* opinions on how to solve their grievances. NOT hide behind destructive tactics such as this. Your actions and their encouragement are wholly unnecessary and completely distructive to the (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Chris Magno wrote: <SNIP> (...) I still want to know: What is he condensing? (...) Actually, you seem to have proven yourself to be extremely closed minded in your unwillingness to look at the other side of the issue. (...) (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) So you're threatening to revoke Chris' posting privileges in retaliation for his criticism of the Admins? Sounds like you're making Chris' case for him. Marc Nelson Jr. (URL) Marc's Creations>> (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) Joseph, Chris canceled his contest. Is that not at least some willingness on his part to look at other sides of the issue? Chris, I don't know Tim to be closed minded any more than any of us here. Why are people so often labeled as "closed (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I had difficulty resolving the grammar of Tim's line, but my final analysis was that Tim wasn't advotating any repurcussions from the admins directed at Chris for his posting about the cancelled competition here. But re-reading it, I'm more (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) And that's what some of us are considering. What we are doing however, by pointing out that we are close to the edge is that people are making Lugnet unfun to run. If all the admins decide it's unfun, then Lugnet goes away. I hope everyone (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) With due respect, what recourse do we have if an admin is found to be grossly unsatisfactory in some way? I'm not saying that any of them are, but what if it should occur? Does the average LUGNET member just sit around waiting for that admin (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I did. I also thought about the implications or the extra-ordinary problem that would take Dave K to actually stand up and say something that runs contary to the 'status quo', at least where the administration is concerned. What about those (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Respectfull communication. Which has not been happening here. I think Todd has been pretty clear for quite some time what the policy on language is. Sure, it isn't spelled out (and the admin team has recognized that the TOU DO need updating), (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) For much of its history, lugnet has had very little active policing of posts by admins. In the days before the transition team evolved into admins on lugnet, the place wasn’t overrun with swearing. Occassionally someone would do ‘wrong’ and (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Tim Courtney wrote: <snip> (...) Dave, Don't and not cancel each other out so what you get is "I'm strongly advocating for you to *be( stopped as well as posting this in public either." Sticking to issues not people, I find (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Kevin, You may not have ever been in this sort of position - but it is extremely stressful. Todd's legacy of the 'Buddha' responce to everything is something to strive towards, but is difficult to always achieve. Please understand that we are (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Believe me, I understand. My life goal has always been to be a type B person. I'm not there yet. Please note that I suggested that we *all* take a timeout. As much as I love lugnet, I would not volunteer to be an Admin. I do not have the (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Thank you for your thoughtful responce. For the time being, I respectfully disagree. -Lenny (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I would also point out that Lar coun't resist mentioning the provocation in his "(URL) apology post>". Sounds too much like "I'm sorry, but it was his fault" which just doesn't cut it with me. ROSCO (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX) !
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(...) It sounds to me like there isnt anything Lar can do to 'cut it' with you. What Lar said is that he is responsible for his actions regardless of any context - including being provoked. I personally am very pleased by Lar's public statement of (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) I am referring to this post, where Larry is berating, resorts to name calling, to the point of questioning people's manhood. From where I'm sitting as an Admin, this is crossing the line. (URL) this post: (URL) respect Larry for 12407 (...) If (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) Well then, would the Lugnet Admins consider it a personal insult if I was to create a poll: "Do you think Lugnet Admin is a good job match for Larry?" "Yes" "No" "Don't know" "Don't care" ROSCO (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I personally wouldn't feel it was a personal insult if worded exactly as you have it here. I also wouldn't want to see my name there instead of Larry. I hope you understand the difference between a poll asking for people's opinion of Larry (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) **snip** (...) Yeah, I thought the guidelines might have been spelled-out already but didn't know where. Now that I think of it, I remember that Larry answered my earlier question about timeout policy. But now that you mention it, I have a (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) This was meant as a Jibe. (...) While it is true that he has canceled the contest, the very creation of such a vicious attack shows, IMHO, a distinctly closed minded and petty mindset. I do acknowledge that he canceled the contest, but only at (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Joseph Greene wrote: <snip> (...) And I'll say that there's a history shared between Larry and Chris that not all of us are privvy to. I know Chirs, and he wouldn't have done this out of some quick 'off-the-cuff' "I'm bored (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) By *all* do you really mean all? As in shutting the discussion groups down for a period of time? That would be awfully unfair to innocent bystanders. Or do you mean all involved in these recent threads? (...) Well, Larry himself has said that (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Todd, Thanks for the reply. I was referring to all involved in these recent threads. Thanks for checking. I was not suggesting that the folks in this thread have their posting priveleges suspended, but rather we each voluntarily suspend (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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