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On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:09:15 GMT, "John VanZwieten"
<john_vanzwieten@email.msn.com> wrote:
> ... Are their _any_ Lego space sets (or town
> for that matter) which accomodate two minifigs sitting side by side?
The Landspeeder. All of the cars/trucks in the Adventurers line.
(And I'm wondering how well that one-piece passenger compartment from the
Adventurers would work as the base for an AT-AT 'head')
> And if
> they made a cockpit to accomodate two minifigs across that was a little out of
> proportion to the rest of the ship, who would complain?
Depends on how badly out of proportion it was. The cockpit tube is either
1/8 or 1/10 the total width of the ship. Anything more than 1/5 is going
to look odd. At 1/4 or higher, it will look very strange.
Steve
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Steve Bliss wrote in message <371ca48f.12455493@lugnet.com>...
> On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:09:15 GMT, "John VanZwieten"
> <john_vanzwieten@email.msn.com> wrote:
>
> > ... Are their _any_ Lego space sets (or town
> > for that matter) which accomodate two minifigs sitting side by side?
>
> The Landspeeder. All of the cars/trucks in the Adventurers line.
D'oh! I'm not really familiar with the Adventurer's line, but I do have the
landspeeder :)
> (And I'm wondering how well that one-piece passenger compartment from the
> Adventurers would work as the base for an AT-AT 'head')
>
> > And if
> > they made a cockpit to accomodate two minifigs across that was a little out • of
> > proportion to the rest of the ship, who would complain?
>
> Depends on how badly out of proportion it was. The cockpit tube is either
> 1/8 or 1/10 the total width of the ship. Anything more than 1/5 is going
> to look odd. At 1/4 or higher, it will look very strange.
So at 7 studs minimum across for a two-seater cockpit X 5 = 35 studs across.
I threw together a quick mock-up of what such a beast might look like. I
created a 15 X 15 quarter hull and a 7 stud wide cockpit piece. The cockpit
definitely stands out as too wide compared to pics of the MF, but as a Lego
model might work. LMKWYT.
-John Van
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John VanZwieten wrote in message ...
> So at 7 studs minimum across for a two-seater cockpit X 5 = 35 studs • across.
> I threw together a quick mock-up of what such a beast might look like. I
> created a 15 X 15 quarter hull and a 7 stud wide cockpit piece. The • cockpit
> definitely stands out as too wide compared to pics of the MF, but as a Lego
> model might work. LMKWYT.
Well, the Millenium Falcon model on my page is built exactly to minifig
scale. The math alone almost killed me when I built it (measure length of
random part from book; convert to length in lego; measure lego; add to
model). For the record, when I did my calculations, I based a minifig on
being 6 feet tall. Anyway, some of the more important dimensions:
Length: 24" (77 studs)
Width: 17 1/4" (56 studs)
Cockpit width: 2 1/2" (8 studs)
And of course pictures are at
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/9639/swlego.html
:Derek
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In lugnet.starwars, Derek Schin writes:
> Well, the Millenium Falcon model on my page is built exactly to minifig
> scale. • <snip>
> And of course pictures are at
> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/9639/swlego.html
That's very cool! I like the control station in the lounge. I wish you had a
round 4x4 plate for the holo-chess table. Chewie is an interesting
improvisation too.
Okay, now for the hard part: how many pieces is it? :)
-Tom McD.
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Tom McDonald wrote in message ...
> Okay, now for the hard part: how many pieces is it? :)
I really wish I knew. Since I never plan on taking it apart, I'll probably
never know, either. As for modeling it in LDraw...I don't think so. We're
certainly talking about thousands of pieces here.
:Derek
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for the cockpit of a falcon. how about using the cockpit pieces from the
aquanaut subs.
they look close and they fit with the octogonal walls.
or TLG could make something colse to those that is more like the real MF.
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> That's very cool! I like the control station in the lounge. I wish you had a
> round 4x4 plate for the holo-chess table.
would the 4 x 4 round with holes from the y-wing engines work?
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I used an old 4x4 turntable (without the 4x4 bottom plate) with a grid of blue
and white 1x1 tiles on top. So far it's the closest, I've come up with.
Ben
In lugnet.starwars, Jonathan Wilson writes:
> > That's very cool! I like the control station in the lounge. I wish you had a
> > round 4x4 plate for the holo-chess table.
> would the 4 x 4 round with holes from the y-wing engines work?
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In lugnet.starwars, Ben Fleskes writes:
> I used an old 4x4 turntable (without the 4x4 bottom plate) with a grid of blue
> and white 1x1 tiles on top. So far it's the closest, I've come up with.
That's an interesting idea Ben... it almost sounds like they could eat chinese
food on the Falcon now that the entire table rotates! :)
> In lugnet.starwars, Jonathan Wilson writes:
> > > That's very cool! I like the control station in the lounge. I wish you had a
> > > round 4x4 plate for the holo-chess table.
> > would the 4 x 4 round with holes from the y-wing engines work?
I thought about that last night when I was taking apart my Y-wing. It could
work, but anything 1 brick high is kinda thick for a table in minifig scale.
Yet, it might be better to use a 4x4 disc because I don't recall that any of
those old 4x4 plateless turntables were made in grey (though I could be wrong).
I've only seen them in white, black and red.
-Tom McD.
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On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:41:22 GMT, "jonathan wilson" <wilsonj@xoommail.com>
wrote:
> > That's very cool! I like the control station in the lounge. I wish you had a
> > round 4x4 plate for the holo-chess table.
> would the 4 x 4 round with holes from the y-wing engines work?
More likely, the round disk with cross-axle hole from CyberSlam (and
others).
Steve
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In lugnet.starwars, Steve Bliss writes:
> On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:41:22 GMT, "jonathan wilson" <wilsonj@xoommail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > > That's very cool! I like the control station in the lounge. I wish you had a
> > > round 4x4 plate for the holo-chess table.
> > would the 4 x 4 round with holes from the y-wing engines work?
>
> More likely, the round disk with cross-axle hole from CyberSlam (and
> others).
What about using one of those Throwbot disc things. Are they Lego compatable
or just useless?
Jason
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Utterly, completely useless! No Lego compatibility. Does anyone want
some?
Scott Sanburn
Jason Fabisch wrote:
>
> In lugnet.starwars, Steve Bliss writes:
> > On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:41:22 GMT, "jonathan wilson" <wilsonj@xoommail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > > That's very cool! I like the control station in the lounge. I wish you had a
> > > > round 4x4 plate for the holo-chess table.
> > > would the 4 x 4 round with holes from the y-wing engines work?
> >
> > More likely, the round disk with cross-axle hole from CyberSlam (and
> > others).
>
> What about using one of those Throwbot disc things. Are they Lego compatable
> or just useless?
>
> Jason
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In lugnet.starwars, Derek Schin writes:
>
>
> Well, the Millenium Falcon model on my page is built exactly to minifig
> scale. The math alone almost killed me when I built it (measure length of
> random part from book; convert to length in lego; measure lego; add to
> model). For the record, when I did my calculations, I based a minifig on
> being 6 feet tall. Anyway, some of the more important dimensions:
>
> Length: 24" (77 studs)
> Width: 17 1/4" (56 studs)
> Cockpit width: 2 1/2" (8 studs)
>
> And of course pictures are at
> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/9639/swlego.html
This was one of the first sites I found last year when I went searching for
Lego on the net, and I was blown away! You can rest assured that the TLG
version of the MF will not be as nice as yours. Do you still have the model
built? This would make a great (though daunting) LDraw project.
After looking at the landspeeder, I'm convinced the cockpit could be done at 6
studs (or maybe 6.25) width with a special piece. This would reduce the
minimum width of a TLG model to 30 studs (35 would look much better), which
should be doable for less than $100.
-John Van
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A few comments, keep in mind, dimensions of the Millennium Falcon vary by as
much as 40% depending on what source to use. But if you scale it based on the
8 studs as the width of the cockpit you come up with number pretty close to
what Derek mentions below.
Regarding a six stud wide cockpit. That would work if you had a square cross
section, but the cockpit is supposed to be round. Thus you need a six stud
wide area the full sitting height of the minifig. That drives the width up to
8 studs in diameter.
Ben
> >
> > Length: 24" (77 studs)
> > Width: 17 1/4" (56 studs)
> > Cockpit width: 2 1/2" (8 studs)
<snip>
>
> After looking at the landspeeder, I'm convinced the cockpit could be done at 6
> studs (or maybe 6.25) width with a special piece. This would reduce the
> minimum width of a TLG model to 30 studs (35 would look much better), which
> should be doable for less than $100.
>
> -John Van
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Ben Fleskes wrote in message ...
> A few comments, keep in mind, dimensions of the Millennium Falcon vary by as
> much as 40% depending on what source to use. But if you scale it based on the
> 8 studs as the width of the cockpit you come up with number pretty close to
> what Derek mentions below.
If it's correctly to scale. As Steve pointed out, a cockpit to overall size
ratio of 1:5 would be the minimum necessary without it looking ridiculous. I
doubt TLG would be as concerned about exact dimensions as Derek was. If they
can make a model look good enough to sell, they will.
>
> Regarding a six stud wide cockpit. That would work if you had a square cross
> section, but the cockpit is supposed to be round. Thus you need a six stud
> wide area the full sitting height of the minifig. That drives the width up to
> 8 studs in diameter.
Actually you need a 5 stud width at the butt level of the cockpit, 6.?? at the
arm level, and 4.5-5 stud width at the head level. Hopefully Chewie will be
taller than a normal minifig, so some extra clearance would be needed. I'll
play around in LDraw with a couple of minifigs and a cylindar and let you know
what I come up with.
-John Van
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John VanZwieten wrote in message ...
>
> If it's correctly to scale. As Steve pointed out, a cockpit to overall • size
> ratio of 1:5 would be the minimum necessary without it looking ridiculous. • I
> doubt TLG would be as concerned about exact dimensions as Derek was. If • they
> can make a model look good enough to sell, they will.
True, but I did measure their Y-Wing to see how far off it was from the
correct scale, and you know what? It was really close. Everything except
the cockpit was dead-on. Of course, the cockpit was a bit wrong, but I'll
be fixing that on the Y-Wing I have.
:Derek
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On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:49:46 GMT, "Ben Fleskes" <benfleskes@msn.com> wrote:
> A few comments, keep in mind, dimensions of the Millennium Falcon vary by as
> much as 40% depending on what source to use. But if you scale it based on the
> 8 studs as the width of the cockpit you come up with number pretty close to
> what Derek mentions below.
>
> Regarding a six stud wide cockpit. That would work if you had a square cross
> section, but the cockpit is supposed to be round. Thus you need a six stud
> wide area the full sitting height of the minifig. That drives the width up to
> 8 studs in diameter.
You are correct, but that's assuming the cockpit tube is nearly circular.
If the tube was built to 'suggest' a circular cross-section, it could be
smaller than 8 studs across.
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This would be very cramped.
Other than a totally special piece, the easiest solution is to use the
octagonal corridor pieces (example at
<http://home.att.net/~partsref/images/2466.gif>) and create an 8-wide,
6-high tube.
This still leaves the problem of the cockpit canopy/nose. The TIE Fighter
porthole wouldn't cut it for this application. It would work, but it would
be ugly (ugly=not like the real thing).
Steve
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In lugnet.starwars, Steve Bliss writes:
> On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:09:15 GMT, "John VanZwieten"
> <john_vanzwieten@email.msn.com> wrote:
>
> > ... Are their _any_ Lego space sets (or town
> > for that matter) which accomodate two minifigs sitting side by side?
>
> The Landspeeder. All of the cars/trucks in the Adventurers line.
> (And I'm wondering how well that one-piece passenger compartment from the
> Adventurers would work as the base for an AT-AT 'head')
I'm jumping in here late, so forgive me if this had already been mentioned.
To me it seems a ship cockpit canopy or AT-AT 'head' would have to be at least
six studs wide rather than use the one-piece ~5-stud passenger compartments
found in the Adventurers' cars. In looking at that piece in front of me with a
minifig sitting in it, the minifig's arms can rest on top of his "door", like
a human passenger can do with a 1:1 car with the windows down, but not inside
the door. In fact, the fit is perfect: the outside of his arm is flush with
the outside of the "door". The Landspeeder is better about this though at six
studs wide with thin walls (but it still needs a control stick at least! :)
But if they did use that piece, I would guess they would have to make a kind
of special cockpit piece that is slightly wider and covers or "walls in" that
passenger compartment piece or the cockpit won't be "airlocked" cuz the
minifig arms will be in the way.
My $0.02 which is often inflated and only worth $0.005.
-Tom McD.
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Tom McDonald wrote:
> To me it seems a ship cockpit canopy or AT-AT 'head' would have to be at least
> six studs wide rather than use the one-piece ~5-stud passenger compartments
> found in the Adventurers' cars. In looking at that piece in front of me with a
> minifig sitting in it, the minifig's arms can rest on top of his "door", like
> a human passenger can do with a 1:1 car with the windows down, but not inside
> the door.
This may be appocryphal, because I don't have the piece in front of me, but doesn'
t the piece in question have a stud (representing door handles) on the outside of
the "door" panels? If so (Again, I'm not sure about this), one could seal up the
cockpit by placing plates vertically on the studs... Anyway, just an odd idea
thinking outside the box (no pun intended) at midnight.
--Karim
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In lugnet.starwars, Karim Nassar writes:
> Tom McDonald wrote:
>
> > To me it seems a ship cockpit canopy or AT-AT 'head' would have to be at • least
> > six studs wide rather than use the one-piece ~5-stud passenger compartments
> > found in the Adventurers' cars. In looking at that piece in front of me • with a
> > minifig sitting in it, the minifig's arms can rest on top of his "door", • like
> > a human passenger can do with a 1:1 car with the windows down, but not • inside
> > the door.
>
> This may be appocryphal, because I don't have the piece in front of me, but • doesn'
> t the piece in question have a stud (representing door handles) on the • outside of
> the "door" panels? If so (Again, I'm not sure about this), one could seal up • the
> cockpit by placing plates vertically on the studs... Anyway, just an odd idea
> thinking outside the box (no pun intended) at midnight.
It's not appocryphal. And I'm a bit surprised that it's *you* that even
thought it could be ;-)
Yes, that piece has studs representing door handles. I suppose it could be
done. But my last part of the previous did have a big UNLESS in it :) I just
have a feeling TLG won't use it because it doesn't fit four minifigs, and it
has a solid back wall. The MF's back cockpit wall has a hatch.
See Derek's model of the MF in another strand of this thread. It's more simple
but quite accomodating.
-Tom McD.
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