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The barque Dodelijk Klompschoen
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Not long after the shipwrights abducted for the construction of the Revenge arrived back in Port Brique, an entirely new vessel arrived, leading to speculation that this new, mysterious, three master had also been built by the abducted artisans.

The barque glided into the waters of Port Brique, under full sail on a breezy day. Her rounded bow and her broad beam betrayed a low countries design, and soon the Dutch flag was sighted at the mainmasthead.




   Jean Thundier, in the recently rebuilt Madame Thenardier gave this dutch vessel plenty of searoom as she approached the port.

Though the gunports (sixteen of them!)remained tightly closed, the extra guns on deck showed that this barque was a serious vessel.

The three master took up one of the spare moorings of the port and her captain promptly went ashore in a boat.

At the dockside, the Mayor and the Capitain of the French Squadron were awaiting the new arrival.

Kapitein Puntblazer of the Dutch barque Dodelijk Klompschoen was greeted by the French dignatories, but declined to give too much information about his vessel or his intentions.

Some of the younger french captains rowed around the moored Dodelijk Klompschoen, scoffing at its design and inferior construction materials, but Jacques Legeaux later cautioned them about not taking the newcomer too seriously. He considered that, of the vessels of Port Brique, only the Misérable could successfully engage the barque (though he conceded that many of them could outsail it).

The Dodelijk Klompschoen is my first project using the remarkable

    7075 Captain Redbeard's Pirate Ship
134 elements, 4 figures, US$40, 2004
LEGO > SYSTEM > Pirate > 4+

Using the 7075 presents some difficulties, and the hull pieces are quite different to work with compared to the traditional hull pieces. Tumblehome is incorporated into the hull pieces, but it’s very shallow (45deg!). The new wide hull pieces don’t fit together as nicely as the old, but they are very wide.

I used standard masts for the fore and the main, but kept the new 4+ mast sections for the bowsprit and the mizzen. Originally, I was going to build it as a brig, but the size of the vessel as it neared completion really cried out for a third mast.

The 7075 doesn’t include a rudder (though it does have a wheel...) so that needed to be added. I used a 2x2 turntable mounted under the greatcabin to get the pivot in the right place. It would be nice to have some way of hinging it to the hull, but alas, that can’t be done.

The sails are home made, (the main and top) modelled on those included with the 7075, the jibs are traditional designs, and the gaff sail is a new design for this vessel. I decided (partly due to a diminishing supply of 1xn black plates) to use the 4+ arms included in the 7075. Fortunately there are four in the set. I used plate built top arms, and extended the lower arms with plates for a taper effect.

I believe the 7075 floats. I’m not sure the Dodelijk Klompschoen would, I’ve added alot of weight. If I get the chance I might try it, and photograph the results... but I don’t hold out much hope for the paper sails!

I am very pleased with the results, and again recommend the 7075 as a good basis for sailing vessel.

Here are a selection of pics (click to enlarge):


   
   
   
   
   
 

   
   
   
   
   
 

   
   
   


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Re: The barque Dodelijk Klompschoen
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Sun, 12 Jun 2005 01:58:37 GMT
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I am impressed! She would probably be impossible to sink with that..erm...‘reinforced’ hull. And with all those guns she would be a real menace..if she ever caught anyone... Of course assuming she floats she would destroy all the standard lego ships without firing a shot in ‘open water’...

Thanks so much for your pursuit of the unfashionable...and sharing its great results!

God Bless,

Nathan (who will build pirate ships one day...)


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Re: The barque Dodelijk Klompschoen
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Well Richie, that’s certainly a ‘big’ ship there.

However, one sidenote: The name should be ‘Dodelijke Klompschoen’ (notice the extra e) I am not exactly sure what the name is supposed to mean since ‘Klompschoen’ is not an existing dutch word. ‘dodelijke’ means ‘deadly’, ‘schoen’ means ‘shoe’ but ‘klomp’ has two different meanings: ‘Clog’ or ‘lump/slug’

So the tranlation should be: ‘Deadly Clogshoe’ which is quite silly or ‘Deadly Lumpshoe’. That sounds just as bad in my opinion......

And completely off-topic:

In your Custom wide-hull thread you said that the use of more than 4 16-wide center hullpieces makes a ship look too narrow. Well, I’ve build** quite alot of pirate ships, including one with five centerpieces and it has quite the lengthwith proportions of a real 18th century ship.


** Since I do not own a single real LEGO piece I build solely ‘virtual’ on the computer using LDraw/LeoCAD Unfortunately, I’m still missing the virtual parts for the mast middle piece and the 27-long rigging. When these are available I will post some images of my ships........


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Re: The barque Dodelijk Klompschoen
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In lugnet.pirates, Robert van Dijk wrote:
   Well Richie, that’s certainly a ‘big’ ship there.

However, one sidenote: The name should be ‘Dodelijke Klompschoen’ (notice the extra e) I am not exactly sure what the name is supposed to mean since ‘Klompschoen’ is not an existing dutch word. ‘dodelijke’ means ‘deadly’, ‘schoen’ means ‘shoe’ but ‘klomp’ has two different meanings: ‘Clog’ or ‘lump/slug’

So the tranlation should be: ‘Deadly Clogshoe’ which is quite silly or ‘Deadly Lumpshoe’. That sounds just as bad in my opinion......

Hey, Robert....

How about:

Klompschoen = Doc Martens :-)

Paul Sinasohn LUGNET #115


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Re: The barque Dodelijk Klompschoen
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   So the tranlation should be: ‘Deadly Clogshoe’ which is quite silly or ‘Deadly Lumpshoe’. That sounds just as bad in my opinion......

Hey, Robert....

How about:

Klompschoen = Doc Martens :-)

Well, now that you mention it, the hull looks quite familiar.....it’s an 8-hole probably.......... LOL


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Re: The barque Dodelijke Klompschoen
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In lugnet.pirates, Robert van Dijk wrote:
   Well Richie, that’s certainly a ‘big’ ship there.

However, one sidenote: The name should be ‘Dodelijke Klompschoen’ (notice the extra e) I am not exactly sure what the name is supposed to mean since ‘Klompschoen’ is not an existing dutch word. ‘dodelijke’ means ‘deadly’, ‘schoen’ means ‘shoe’ but ‘klomp’ has two different meanings: ‘Clog’ or ‘lump/slug’

So the tranlation should be: ‘Deadly Clogshoe’ which is quite silly or ‘Deadly Lumpshoe’. That sounds just as bad in my opinion......

I used an online translator. The idea was ‘Deadly Clog’ (which is quite silly). I did mean to include a note/apology to dutch speakers in my post, but forgot to add it in all the excitement of the moment.

   And completely off-topic:

In your Custom wide-hull thread you said that the use of more than 4 16-wide center hullpieces makes a ship look too narrow.


No I did not!!! What I said was “While I still maintain my view that six hull sections isn’t necessarily canoelike, what spurred me to do this cutting was the desire for more deck space.”. Click on the link to see my views on ‘too narrowness’.

   Well, I’ve build** quite alot of pirate ships, including one with five centerpieces and it has quite the lengthwith proportions of a real 18th century ship.

Absolutely!

   ** Since I do not own a single real LEGO piece I build solely ‘virtual’ on the computer using LDraw/LeoCAD Unfortunately, I’m still missing the virtual parts for the mast middle piece and the 27-long rigging. When these are available I will post some images of my ships........

Cool.

Cheers

Richie Dulin


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Re: The barque Dodelijke Klompschoen
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In lugnet.pirates, Nathan Todd wrote:
   I am impressed! She would probably be impossible to sink with that..erm...‘reinforced’ hull. And with all those guns she would be a real menace..if she ever caught anyone... Of course assuming she floats she would destroy all the standard lego ships without firing a shot in ‘open water’...

Thanks so much for your pursuit of the unfashionable...and sharing its great results!

I am endeavouring to use all the ‘useless’ parts from 7075 in pirate type creations. I’ve just completed a pirate cutter that uses the much maligned triangular mizzen sail (pics soon). The only really difficult parts are the pulpit and the quarterdeck. (I thought about using the quartderdeck as a reinforcing plate inside the new Misérable, but that’s too much like cheating!)

Cheers

Richie Dulin


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Re: The barque Dodelijk Klompschoen
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** Since I do not own a single real LEGO piece I build solely ‘virtual’ on the computer using LDraw/LeoCAD Unfortunately, I’m still missing the virtual parts for the mast middle piece and the 27-long rigging. When these are available I will post some images of my ships........


Wow, I dont know if i could do this on computers, but it would be awesome because then i wouldnt have to spend a fortune obtaining parts... lol


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In lugnet.pirates, Richie Dulin wrote:
  
I used an online translator. The idea was ‘Deadly Clog’ (which is quite silly). I did mean to include a note/apology to dutch speakers in my post, but forgot to add it in all the excitement of the moment.

Ok, Well that’s cleared up then (BUT WE HAD OUR FUN AND IT DOES LOOK LIKE A CLOG!!) and for the sake of completeness: the name should be: Dodelijke Klomp (What’s with the captain’s name: ‘Puntblazer’ HaHaHa I don’t even dare to try to translate that......)

And my apologies for misunderstanding the Centre-pieces thingie, I completely agree with you on the lack of deck space with only 16 studs.

There is still a question I want to ask you: Why do you mainly build early 19th century ships while the ‘Pirate Golden Age’ was around 1690-1730? (I also think that ships from that period looked a bit better with those high sterncastles)

Robin


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Re: The barque Dodelijke Klompschoen
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In lugnet.pirates, Robert van Dijk wrote:
   In lugnet.pirates, Richie Dulin wrote:
  
I used an online translator. The idea was ‘Deadly Clog’ (which is quite silly). I did mean to include a note/apology to dutch speakers in my post, but forgot to add it in all the excitement of the moment.

Ok, Well that’s cleared up then (BUT WE HAD OUR FUN AND IT DOES LOOK LIKE A CLOG!!) and for the sake of completeness: the name should be: Dodelijke Klomp (What’s with the captain’s name: ‘Puntblazer’ HaHaHa I don’t even dare to try to translate that......)

;-)

   And my apologies for misunderstanding the Centre-pieces thingie, I completely agree with you on the lack of deck space with only 16 studs.

The deck of the Dodelijke Klomp is certainly an improvement in width over the other Port Brique ships. I’m looking forward to being able to include a lot more deck detailing on the new Misérable.

   There is still a question I want to ask you: Why do you mainly build early 19th century ships while the ‘Pirate Golden Age’ was around 1690-1730? (I also think that ships from that period looked a bit better with those high sterncastles)

Take your pick:
  • Port Brique is set in Terra Australis... not much was settled in Australia prior to the 1788. Of course the French settlement of 1788 never came about, but one can dream...
  • The Napoleonic conflicts have more potential than pirates attack/pirates get attacked.
  • I can’t build convincing looking high sterncastles.
Perhaps once the possibilities of Port Brique 1805 (possibly 1806 by the time I get there!) are exhausted (and there’s not too much more to do), I’ll shift to a different time period. After all, I’ve accumulated a lot of shipbuilding parts...I’ll just need to figure out how to build convincing high sterncastles!

Cheers

Richie Dulin


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In lugnet.pirates, Richie Dulin wrote:

  

Disturbingly impressive. I had even looked at the box in detail and turned it down at $50. Silly Rich.

Just fabulous Richie. You may have found a way to bring me back from the brink of packing it all away :-)

Love the bow, for all your concerns about the stern it looks great, and the sides are intriguing. A triumph of seeing the hidden gem in the rough stone.

Thank you.

Richard
Still baldly going...


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Re: The barque Dodelijk Klompschoen
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In lugnet.pirates, Dan Vogel wrote:


   Wow, I dont know if i could do this on computers, but it would be awesome because then i wouldnt have to spend a fortune obtaining parts... lol


That’s exactly the reason why I use those computerprograms. I simply ALWAYS lacked some vital parts to build an LEGO-masterpiece. Unfortunately I still have to master the art of rendering my creations because in-program-screenshots look quite horrible............


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