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To: Cmdr. Naval Weapons Development
RTN HQ. Galveston
From: Capt. Counter-Intelligence
Texas Rangers
We have intercepted communications coming out of the Mexican spy network in
and around Galveston. They are reporting on the noise of testing of “very large”
cannons and the large shipments of iron ore coming to Galveston from Llano. They
also report on someone named “Joneriksun” who they think is involved. I don’t
know what you are developing, but I hope it’s good enough. Because it looks like
we could soon be back to open war with Mexico.
Jack
On a small sand island in a bayou not to far from Galveston Secret testing of
one of the new cannons continues!
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=117737
why pirates? (recall what Sam Houston said about us)
so what do you think?
kurt
Austin, TX
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What a great gun! It needs a better mount though. :)
It realy reminded me of the “Disappearing Guns” mounted at a place called
Fort Rodd Hill (near where I
live)as coastal defence batteries during the Victorian era. I found a web page
describing a similar model mounted in New Zealand:
http://www.doc.govt.nz/Conservation/Historic/Auckland-Historic-Areas/The-disappearing-gun.asp
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In lugnet.pirates, George Edward Godwin wrote:
Thanks!
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It needs a better mount though. :)
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Well!
“Indeed, the 12-inch “Oregon” gun Ericsson had built in England,
and which also constituted the U.S.S. Princeton’s armament
(along with the infamous “Peacemaker’ of Captain Robert F. Stockton’s build) was
worked by an equally-revolutionary iron carriage of his own design.”
Ericsson’s 1843 “Oregon” gun carriage:
http://www.ijnhonline.org/howard_special/The_Guns_at_Filipstad_pics_docs/Ericsson%20carriage.jpg
so this was my model proto type
I have added new pics:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=117737
see:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1111526
and yes it’s too tall and it’s sides are too thick, but I got my gearing in
there and the siding disconnecting crank shaft. I tried to use the 2817 part but
I need 1.5 stud spacing to mesh the 8 and 16 teeth gears. I looked at 24 tooth
gear but that would make the gun carriage even taller!
I would be glad to see a better way to mount my new guns!
For more info on Ericsson, “Oregon” gun, and the U.S.S. Princeton see:
http://www.northwestships.com/Oregon%20Gun.htm
neat!
kurt
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What a great model!
Where did you get the black bucket? I checked Peeron and they say it only comes
in chrome, blue, and dark pink.
BTW when I saw this post last night and the subject of disapering guns came up I
started work one one of my own with a disapering mechanism. It uses the foward
recoil from the cannon firing (plus another spring in the unit) to work the
mechanism. The whole thing is about 75% complete. I hope to show pics here soon.
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In lugnet.pirates, Peter Blencowe wrote:
Thanks!
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Where did you get the black bucket? I checked Peeron and they say it only
comes in chrome, blue, and dark pink.
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my cannons part list (not the mount)
qty part name --------------------------------- Black Blue
1 70973 Belville Bucket ------------------------------- X
2 3941 Brick 2 x 2 Round ----------------------- X --- X
1 3943 Cone 4 x 4 x 2 --------------------------- X --- X
1 6222 Brick 4 x 4 Round with Holes ---------- X --- X
8 3063 Brick 2 x 2 Corner Round ‘macaroni’ - X --- X
1 3960 Round Dish 4 x 4 Inverted -------------- X --- X
1 3707 Technic Axle 8
1 4599 Tap 1 x 1 --------------------------------- X --- X
1 4735 Space Robot Arm ----------------------- X --- X
1 3959 Minifig Accessory Torch --------------- X --- X
1 4623 Plate 1 x 2 with Arm -------------------- X --- X
I didn’t want to build it in Blue. So... I CHEATED!! I admit it! two belville
buckets
http://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?pg=1&q=belville+bucket&sz=10&searchSort=P&invType=
gave their lego lives, SHOCK and HORROR! I spray painted them black. I know, I
am really bad!
I need these cannons for my new ---- (it’s a secret!)
I guess you could leave a chrome muzzle-end on a black body.
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BTW when I saw this post last night and the subject of disapering guns came
up I started work one one of my own with a disapering mechanism. It uses the
foward recoil from the cannon firing (plus another spring in the unit) to
work the mechanism. The whole thing is about 75% complete. I hope to show
pics here soon.
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I look forward to it!
For me and the 1840’s modeling that I am working on, my mount is much closer to
the period.
kurt
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Not to worry I’ve done the same thing with markers for some Star Wars figs.
what do think of my latest “bad idea”: Take a cut down lego rifle (the grey
kind) and attach the cut down end to a gray painted light saber handle to
produce a slightly more 1850’s looking gun. Conversely paint the stock brown.
(this would not be a very big deal for me because I have more of rifles than I
can use and several damaged light sabers where the crome is coming off)
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In lugnet.pirates, Peter Blencowe wrote:
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Not to worry I’ve done the same thing with markers for some Star Wars figs.
what do think of my latest “bad idea”: Take a cut down lego rifle (the grey
kind) and attach the cut down end to a gray painted light saber handle to
produce a slightly more 1850’s looking gun. Conversely paint the stock brown.
(this would not be a very big deal for me because I have more of rifles than
I can use and several damaged light sabers where the crome is coming off)
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Do one, and upload a picture for us!
kurt
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
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To: Cmdr. Naval Weapons Development
RTN HQ. Galveston
From: Capt. Counter-Intelligence
Texas Rangers
We have intercepted communications coming out of the Mexican spy network
in and around Galveston. They are reporting on the noise of testing of “very
large” cannons and the large shipments of iron ore coming to Galveston from
Llano. They also report on someone named “Joneriksun” who they think is
involved. I don’t know what you are developing, but I hope it’s good
enough. Because it looks like we could soon be back to open war with Mexico.
Jack
On a small sand island in a bayou not to far from Galveston Secret testing of
one of the new cannons continues!
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=117737
why pirates? (recall what Sam Houston said about us)
so what do you think?
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I think that if you keep up the development, you’ll be attempting a pirate-era
moonshot before long!
Roll on Columbiad! (But rightfully in Texas, not Florida!)
Cheers
Richie Dulin
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In lugnet.pirates, Richie Dulin wrote:
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
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To: Cmdr. Naval Weapons Development
RTN HQ. Galveston
From: Capt. Counter-Intelligence
Texas Rangers
We have intercepted communications coming out of the Mexican spy network
in and around Galveston. They are reporting on the noise of testing of “very
large” cannons and the large shipments of iron ore coming to Galveston from
Llano. They also report on someone named “Joneriksun” who they think is
involved. I don’t know what you are developing, but I hope it’s good
enough. Because it looks like we could soon be back to open war with Mexico.
Jack
On a small sand island in a bayou not to far from Galveston Secret testing
of one of the new cannons continues!
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=117737
why pirates? (recall what Sam Houston said about us)
so what do you think?
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I think that if you keep up the development, you’ll be attempting a
pirate-era moonshot before long!
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I am confused!?
The Texas Navy had a steam powered warship in 1838!
“Predating any self-propelled vessels built by the U.S. Navy, Zavala had the
distinction of becoming the first armed (steam) warship in North America.”
http://www.numa.net/articles/texas_naval_ship_zavala.html
Do you think my cannon design is wrong? I put my modeling date at 1845.
These big smooth cannons were under development at that time.
The “Oregon” gon started it off in 1843
I wish, I could find a picture of it!
For more info on Ericsson, “Oregon” gun, and the U.S.S. Princeton see:
http://www.northwestships.com/Oregon%20Gun.htm
but soon!
15 inch Dahlgren(s)
http://members.tripod.com/~ProlificPains/dahl.jpg
http://www.ijnhonline.org/howard_special/The_Guns_at_Filipstad_pics_docs/Brooklyn%20Navy%20Yard%2015-in%20Dahlgrens.jpg
http://www.ijnhonline.org/howard_special/The_Guns_at_Filipstad_pics_docs/15%20inch%20Dahlgren%20smoothbore.jpg
15 inch Rodmans
http://www.civilwarartillery.com/cannon/15inchCannons.jpg>
Armstrong
http://www.mmcwrt.org/images/ArmstrongGun.jpg
other models
http://www.dicannonworks.com/images/bottleE.jpg
http://www.cannon-mania.com/images/Rhodes/dg-fin.gif
Look at the HMS Warrior
http://www.stvincent.ac.uk/Heritage/Warrior/guns.html
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Roll on Columbiad! (But rightfully in Texas, not Florida!)
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I am just building some “what ifs” here for fun!!
all best
kurt
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
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In lugnet.pirates, Richie Dulin wrote:
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
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To: Cmdr. Naval Weapons Development
RTN HQ. Galveston
From: Capt. Counter-Intelligence
Texas Rangers
We have intercepted communications coming out of the Mexican spy network
in and around Galveston. They are reporting on the noise of testing of
“very large” cannons and the large shipments of iron ore coming to
Galveston from Llano. They also report on someone named “Joneriksun” who
they think is involved. I don’t know what you are developing, but I hope
it’s good enough. Because it looks like we could soon be back to open war
with Mexico.
Jack
On a small sand island in a bayou not to far from Galveston Secret testing
of one of the new cannons continues!
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=117737
why pirates? (recall what Sam Houston said about us)
so what do you think?
|
I think that if you keep up the development, you’ll be attempting a
pirate-era moonshot before long!
|
I am confused!?
The Texas Navy had a steam powered warship in 1838!
“Predating any self-propelled vessels built by the U.S. Navy, Zavala had the
distinction of becoming the first armed (steam) warship in North America.”
http://www.numa.net/articles/texas_naval_ship_zavala.html
Do you think my cannon design is wrong? I put my modeling date at 1845.
These big smooth cannons were under development at that time.
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No, No! Not wrong by any means! Pirate-era moonshot from gun development, is a
reference to Jules Verne’s From the Earth to the Moon.... where they attempted
a moonshot from a very large gun...
I’m not meaning to question your ballistics technology development!
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Roll on Columbiad! (But rightfully in Texas, not Florida!)
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I am just building some “what ifs” here for fun!!
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The very large gun for the moonshot was named Columbiad, and there was
considerable discussion (and public rallies) about whether it should be built in
Florida or Texas.
JV’s novel was set, iirc, shortly after the ACW, so with your 1845 developments,
you might just beat it!
Cheers
Richie Dulin
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In lugnet.pirates, Richie Dulin wrote:
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
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In lugnet.pirates, Richie Dulin wrote:
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
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To: Cmdr. Naval Weapons Development
RTN HQ. Galveston
From: Capt. Counter-Intelligence
Texas Rangers
We have intercepted communications coming out of the Mexican spy
network in and around Galveston. They are reporting on the noise of
testing of “very large” cannons and the large shipments of iron ore coming
to Galveston from Llano. They also report on someone named “Joneriksun”
who they think is involved. I don’t know what you are developing, but I
hope it’s good enough. Because it looks like we could soon be back to open
war with Mexico.
Jack
On a small sand island in a bayou not to far from Galveston Secret testing
of one of the new cannons continues!
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=117737
why pirates? (recall what Sam Houston said about us)
so what do you think?
|
I think that if you keep up the development, you’ll be attempting a
pirate-era moonshot before long!
|
I am confused!?
The Texas Navy had a steam powered warship in 1838!
“Predating any self-propelled vessels built by the U.S. Navy, Zavala had the
distinction of becoming the first armed (steam) warship in North America.”
http://www.numa.net/articles/texas_naval_ship_zavala.html
Do you think my cannon design is wrong? I put my modeling date at 1845.
These big smooth cannons were under development at that time.
|
-snip-
No, No! Not wrong by any means! Pirate-era moonshot from gun development, is
a reference to Jules Verne’s From the Earth to the Moon.... where they
attempted a moonshot from a very large gun...
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OK!!
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I’m not meaning to question your ballistics technology development!
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Thanks, but you are allowed!
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Roll on Columbiad! (But rightfully in Texas, not Florida!)
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I am just building some “what ifs” here for fun!!
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The very large gun for the moonshot was named Columbiad, and there was
considerable discussion (and public rallies) about whether it should be built
in Florida or Texas.
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Actually Verne reused the name, in “From the Earth to the Moon” 1865.
see:
http://www.cwartillery.org/ve/seahow.html
Columbiad(s) are a little to small, ;^)
My cannon is in the 15 inch range.
So you can see how I missed your reference!
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JV’s novel was set, iirc, shortly after the ACW, so with your 1845
developments, you might just beat it!
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Verne may a have heard about or see pictures of the 20 inch and above guns
http://www.cwartillery.org/ve/dahlXXgray2.jpg
http://www.ijnhonline.org/howard_special/The_Guns_at_Filipstad_pics_docs/20-in%20Rodman%20side.jpg
kurt
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Hi Kurt
In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
Um - I think the Texans might have been nosed out by the Royal Navy. :) The
British were using steam-powered gunboats on the St. Lawrence river and Lake
Ontario in the winter of 1837-1838 to counter what today would be called
terrorists attacking from the United States into British North America.
Regards,
Norbert Black
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
That page is incorrect.
The first steam-powered armed warship in North America was
in fact Robert Fulton’s catamaran-hulled center-paddler
Demologos, completed in 1815 for the defence of New York and kept in service
by the US Navy until its destruction in an accident in 1829.
http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi156.htm
all best
LFB
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In lugnet.pirates, Lindsay Frederick Braun wrote:
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
That page is incorrect.
The first steam-powered armed warship in North America was
in fact Robert Fulton’s catamaran-hulled center-paddler
Demologos, completed in 1815 for the defence of New York and kept in
service by the US Navy until its destruction in an accident in 1829.
http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi156.htm
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I agree with Lindsay!
kurt
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
It kind of looks like a 15” Dahlgren. I really like the inclusion of gearing on
the carriage!
LFB
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In lugnet.pirates, Lindsay Frederick Braun wrote:
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
It kind of looks like a 15” Dahlgren.
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The 15 inch Dahlgren was my model prototype, my lego cannon however,
has the flatish butt end of the 15” Rodman
http://www.cwartillery.org/ve/dahlgrens.html
http://www.cwartillery.org/ve/rodman.html
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I really like the inclusion of gearing
on the carriage!
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Finally, someone likes my gun mount/carriage!!
Thanks!
I was just looking on the web for pics or drawings of early (pre-civil war)
gun mounts/carriage and I found the drawing of Ericsson’s gun carriage, and I
have him so strongly figured in my “Storyline”. I just had to try to model it!
What do you think of my gun’s elevation screw-setup?
I looked at the this part
http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/30209
but it wasn’t black and plate is not the right shape.
I used the tap part but it’s really not quite “heavy” enough.
Oh well, the joys of modeling in lego!
kurt
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It might be possible to make a nice cannon out of
qty part name
1 70973 Belville Bucket
0-2 3941 Brick 2 x 2 Round
1 6233 Cone 3 x 3 x 2
something(s) ??
1 44359 Cylinder 3 x 3 Hemisphere
1 ??? Technic Axle ?
kurt
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
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It might be possible to make a nice cannon out of
qty part name
1 70973 Belville Bucket
0-2 3941 Brick 2 x 2 Round
1 6233 Cone 3 x 3 x 2
something(s) ??
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The Star Wars engine piece is your best bet here; it’s a 3x3 cylinder. The MTT
came with two in black.
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1 44359 Cylinder 3 x 3 Hemisphere
1 ??? Technic Axle ?
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Not needed. A Technic half-pin with stud is all you need.
LFB
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