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36-gun Frigate RTS LEGOMALEE
at http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=112250
(photos by Tim Rueger)
modeled after the Leda class frigate
http://www.hms-trincomalee.co.uk/
what do I like with what I did with this MOC,
I like that the hull has sheer.
why pirates? (recall what Sam Houston said about us)
so what do you think?
kurt
Austin, TX
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
Did the Texicans ever float a navy at all?
I think it is spiffy! I love that you have two decks! And that you have
tumblehome.
I was on the gun deck of the HMS Victory in Portsmouth and it is remarkable how
little headroom there is (IIRC the floor to ceiling was 6 feet at best, wit a
lot of beams lowering it to more like 4.5, but I could be misremembering), so
the fact that you have little clearance is spot on.
Does the RCX stuff in the background mean you are planning to automate the
cannonfire (recoil, draw back, reemerge, flash of light, repeat)? :-)
Spotlighted!
Xposted to boats but FUT left set to pirates. Thanks for sharing this nice work
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In lugnet.pirates, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
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Did the Texicans ever float a navy at all?
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!?
try:
http://www.texasnavy.com/
http://www.texasnavy.com/shiplist.htm
The Battle of Campeche - May 1843
First and only time sail bested steam men-of-war!
The Battle of Campeche by Fred Toler
Courtesy San Jacinto Museum of History
also:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Texas+Navy&btnG=Search
books:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1556228856/qid=1105809263/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/104-1175743-1147968?v=glance&s=books
or
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1410217035/qid=1105809263/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-1175743-1147968?v=glance&s=books
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I think it is spiffy! I love that you have two decks! And that you have
tumblehome.
I was on the gun deck of the HMS Victory in Portsmouth and it is remarkable
how little headroom there is (IIRC the floor to ceiling was 6 feet at best,
wit a lot of beams lowering it to more like 4.5, but I could be
misremembering), so the fact that you have little clearance is spot on.
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from the surface of the gun deck to the surface of the quarter deck is exactly
six bricks high. no tall hat on a minifig!
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Does the RCX stuff in the background mean you are planning to automate the
cannonfire (recoil, draw back, reemerge, flash of light, repeat)? :-)
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No ;^)
other members stuff (TEX-LUG-Austin)
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Spotlighted!
Xposted to boats but FUT left set to pirates. Thanks for sharing this nice
work
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
I really like it, Kurt! The sail plan and fighting tops are very realistic. I
also like the boat hanging over the stern. The after castle seems a bit high
for a frigate, however the proportions are otherwise very nice. Nice ensign as
well! Lots of cannons too - I wish I had that many cannons to play with!
“Remember the Alamo!” :)
Aaron
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In lugnet.pirates, Aaron Walsh wrote:
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
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I really like it, Kurt! The sail plan and fighting tops are very realistic.
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Thanks, tried to get them all to the same hight and different sizes.
As for the shape, I looked at this:
http://www.history.navy.mil/constitution/work4.htm
Please note, the minifig marine climbing through the center fighting top.
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I also like the boat hanging over the stern.
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It raises and lowers (Hose Reel 2 x 4 x 2 Holder and Drum)
you can see the lines going to the reel in this pic.
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1060044
and the drum in this one:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1060048
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The after castle seems a bit high for a frigate, however
the proportions are otherwise very nice.
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You are right, the stern looked wonderfully low and sleek,
with just the captains cabin below the quarter deck.
And as the LNA (Lego Naval Architect) of the RTN
I would have left it that way.
However she (the RTS LEGOMALEE) is the largest ship the
fleet and the Admiral needed a flag-cabin, so ...
Now she has a nice dramatic aft.
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Nice ensign as well! Lots of cannons too - I wish I had that
many cannons to play with!
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Just a blank white #42 , with color printed paper labels (trimed)
Actually that’s the name of the 12-gun Top-Sail Schooner I am finishing
up. RTS REMEMBER the LEGAMO
kurt
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
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In lugnet.pirates, Aaron Walsh wrote:
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
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36-gun Frigate RTS LEGOMALEE
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Actually that’s the name of the 12-gun Top-Sail Schooner I am finishing
up. RTS REMEMBER the LEGAMO
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see:
http://news.lugnet.com/pirates/?n=4154
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
Oooh...that’s very, very lovely. It’s one of
the best extensions on that hull I’ve seen. The
roomy fighting-tops are also marvelous. And, as
Larry pointed out, “ooh, tumblehome!”
(And yes, the name you gave it made me think instantly
of the oft-modelled Trincomalee.)
best
LFB
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In lugnet.pirates, Lindsay Frederick Braun wrote:
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
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Oooh...that’s very, very lovely.
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thanks!
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It’s one of the best extensions on that hull I’ve seen.
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Thats really what set me off, to build this MOC, because
the turkey sets were on sale! I ordered 12 of them in november,
cheap!
http://www.peeron.com/inv/sets/10090-1
2 3665 Brown Slope Brick 45 2 x 1 Inverted (Pic)
5 3660 Brown Slope Brick 45 2 x 2 Inverted (Pic)
1 43723 Brown Wing 2 x 3 Left (Pic)
1 43722 Brown Wing 2 x 3 Right (Pic)
it’s the brown inverted slopes and brown wings, and 7 hull
middles ofcoarse.
you can see this in these pics:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1060047
and
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1060046
But the best thing is that brown plates let me get the “sheer” into the hull!
The bow is three plates higher (at the brown line) than the midships, and
the stern is four plates higher.
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The roomy fighting-tops are also marvelous.
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thanks a again, checkout:
http://www.history.navy.mil/constitution/work4.htm
Please note, the minifig marine climbing through the center fighting top.
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And, as
Larry pointed out, “ooh, tumblehome!”
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yes, many models discussed here use “Slope Brick 75 2 x 2 x 3”
for their tumblehome I choose to use “Slope Brick 65 2 x 2 x 2”
I felt that I could build a tighter (hight wize) gun deck.
And more importantly help get the “sheer” into the hull!
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(And yes, the name you gave it made me think instantly
of the oft-modelled Trincomalee.)
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kurt
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
A magnificent effort! The hull widening from the standard hull pieces is
masterful.
The fighting tops are usefully large, and the doubling of the ratlines to the
tops is clever - giving the effect of a nice backward sweep.
The steeper than usual tumblehome works very well, and the captain’s cabin is
well integrated.
Seven centre sections? Wow.
My only criticism would be the placing of the mainmast - it looks to far forward
to me. (Though I like that the fore and main masts are more or less the same
height - that’s how frigates should be!).
Very nice work indeed!
Cheers
Richie Dulin
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In lugnet.pirates, Richie Dulin wrote:
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
A magnificent effort! The hull widening from the standard hull pieces is
masterful.
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Coming from you, this is high praise, thank you very much!
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The fighting tops are usefully large, and the doubling of the ratlines to the
tops is clever - giving the effect of a nice backward sweep.
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yes, using the new ratline part helped.
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The steeper than usual tumblehome works very well, and the captain’s cabin is
well integrated.
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thanks, I like how the latticed widdow kicks-out (3 4 5 right triangle)
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Seven centre sections? Wow.
My only criticism would be the placing of the mainmast - it looks to far
forward to me. (Though I like that the fore and main masts are more or less
the same height - that’s how frigates should be!).
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You are right, but to keep the shrouds and channels the same, it would have to
come back 6 studs, too much I felt. And I would lose another quarter deck cannon
pair, if I wanted to keep them aft of the main mast.
g’day mate!
kurt
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I’ll admit that I know nothing about ships or their construction, but anything
flying the Lone Star is tops in my books! That ship is huge and nicely
detailed.
-Stefan-Displaced Texan-G.
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
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hello! this is a wonderful ship you have here. you did a very nice job. 7 center
sections is huge! i must echo everyone else in saying you did a great job
widening the hull, i have thought about trying to widen a hull, but did not come
up with using the (forgive my horrible Lego terminology) angled plates to keep
the “flow” going and break up the vertical staggering of the bricks. (does this
make sense? not sure if i conveyed it correctly)
wow, 36 guns, i dont even have that many. will make her the terror of the seas
;-).
the sails you made are excellent, very nice.
the only things i can find to point out have been mentioned already: that the
stern is a bit high, and the placement of the masts. while i agree with Mr
Dulin, that the main mast could be moved back just a bit, i actually think that
the foremast is too far back. it looks like you could move it forward of the
cannons directly in front of it. if you could move it forwards, i dont think
youll have to move the main back (thereby allowing you to keep the extra guns
:-)) in general, the mainmast is half as far from the mizzen as it is from the
fore, but you can get away without spacing the main and fore quite so far apart.
anyway, you have build a wonderful ship, and i look forward to seeing the other
ship you are finishing up!
BTW, like the picture of you with your ship, dont often get to see the people
who build the creations.
best regards,
stephen rowe
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In lugnet.pirates, Stephen Rowe wrote:
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
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so what do you think?
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hello! this is a wonderful ship you have here. you did a very nice job.
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Thanks Stephen, I have studied your ships! I also value your praise!!
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7 center sections is huge!
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but it doesn’t look it though, does it?
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i must echo everyone else in saying you did a great job widening the hull,
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thanks, I saw (studied) the ships out there to see how people were doing it.
It was your ship HM 20 gun Frigate Minotaur
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=92908
(If other readers wonder)
and your efforts to have sheer, that set me off on the quest for
large wide hull with sheer.
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i have thought about trying to widen a hull, but did
not come up with using the (forgive my horrible Lego terminology) angled
plates to keep the “flow” going and break up the vertical staggering of the
bricks. (does this make sense? not sure if i conveyed it correctly)
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wing(s), peeron calls them Wing (something)
http://www.peeron.com/cgi-bin/invcgis/psearch?query=wing&limit=parts&anyword=0
and I understand what you are saying, also raising the inverted slope bricks one
plate at a time gives the hull real “fairness”.
see:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1060047
note: that on top of the brown wings the first (going up) black part is a wedge
sloped
http://www.peeron.com/cgi-bin/invcgis/psearch?query=wedge+sloped&limit=none&anyword=0
which also adds to the “fairness” of the hull.
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wow, 36 guns, i dont even have that many. will make her the terror of the
seas ;-).
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“be afraid, be very afraid”
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the sails you made are excellent, very nice.
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thanks but they are just paper, I may get some cloth ...
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the only things i can find to point out have been mentioned already: that the
stern is a bit high, and the placement of the masts.
while i agree with Mr Dulin, that the main mast could be moved back
just a bit, i actually think that the foremast is too far back.
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I think I agree, I can’t move the main mast back (less than 6 studs).
If you look at the proto-type Leda-frigate
http://www.hms-trincomalee.co.uk/
and click on the “VIRTUAL” TRINCOMALEE”, then click on the QUARTER DECK
you can see that the fore mast is at the braking curve of the bow.
The center of the fore mast is a little more that two “gun on center widths”
back from the inside of the bow rail (ignoring the bow sprit). For my model,
guns are at 6 studs on center, but my fore mast’s center is 19 studs back from
the bow. Also the center of the main mast is on this drawing of the proto-type
is 54% of the way down the length of ship’s hull at the quarter decks railing
height. On my model it’s 51% of the way down the length of ship’s hull at the
quarter decks railing height.
You can see this better in this picture:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1060049
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it looks like you could move it forward of
the cannons directly in front of it. if you could move it forwards, i dont
think youll have to move the main back (thereby allowing you to keep the
extra guns :-)) in general, the mainmast is half as far from the mizzen as
it is from the fore, but you can get away without spacing the main and fore
quite so far apart.
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I could bring the fore mast forward 6 studs! It would not be easy, it would be
right where the second wedge sloped brick is (from the bow). check that first
pic again.
well, what do you think Mr Dulin?
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anyway, you have build a wonderful ship, and i look forward to seeing the
other ship you are finishing up!
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I need to get a brickshelf account, and post pictures of the fleet!
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BTW, like the picture of you with your ship, dont often get to see the people
who build the creations.
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It was only because I wasn’t taking the pictures!!
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best regards,
stephen rowe
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thanks for your input!!
kurt
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
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In lugnet.pirates, Stephen Rowe wrote:
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
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so what do you think?
kurt
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hello! this is a wonderful ship you have here. you did a very nice job.
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Thanks Stephen, I have studied your ships! I also value your praise!!
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7 center sections is huge!
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but it doesn’t look it though, does it?
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Not at all.
Several people have commented that they thought my ships, the
Misérable and the
HMLS Intractable were the
same size, until they saw them in person (or the comparison pics). The Mis is
6 centre sections, the Intracty 3.
Also, at 7 sections she doesn’t look at all canoe-like. Hmmm....
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the only things i can find to point out have been mentioned already: that
the stern is a bit high, and the placement of the masts.
while i agree with Mr Dulin, that the main mast could be moved back
just a bit, i actually think that the foremast is too far back.
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I think I agree, I can’t move the main mast back (less than 6 studs).
If you look at the proto-type Leda-frigate
http://www.hms-trincomalee.co.uk/
and click on the “VIRTUAL” TRINCOMALEE”, then click on the QUARTER DECK
you can see that the fore mast is at the braking curve of the bow.
The center of the fore mast is a little more that two “gun on center widths”
back from the inside of the bow rail (ignoring the bow sprit). For my model,
guns are at 6 studs on center, but my fore mast’s center is 19 studs back
from the bow. Also the center of the main mast is on this drawing of the
proto-type is 54% of the way down the length of ship’s hull at the quarter
decks railing height. On my model it’s 51% of the way down the length of
ship’s hull at the quarter decks railing height.
You can see this better in this picture:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1060049
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it looks like you could move it forward of
the cannons directly in front of it. if you could move it forwards, i dont
think youll have to move the main back (thereby allowing you to keep the
extra guns :-)) in general, the mainmast is half as far from the mizzen as
it is from the fore, but you can get away without spacing the main and fore
quite so far apart.
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I could bring the fore mast forward 6 studs! It would not be easy, it would
be right where the second wedge sloped brick is (from the bow). check that
first pic again.
well, what do you think Mr Dulin?
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Way back when I built the Mis I started of with even mast spacing. After I’d
built to the rails and temporarily placed the mast bases, I realised my mistake
and ended up rebuilding most of the hull. I think it was well worth it - but
then I had nowhere near a finished vessel at the time.
I think moving the mast forward would be worth doing.
If you’re doing some major modifications, there’s something else you could
consider too: another hull section between the main and foremasts...
All this talk of shipbuilding.... It’s been too long since I’ve last built
anything. But I have the parts, my current (non maritime) project is nearing
completion, I have a week’s leave from work, and now I have the inspiration too.
Adieu
Richie Dulin
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In lugnet.pirates, Richie Dulin wrote:
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Also, at 7 sections she doesn’t look at all canoe-like. Hmmm....
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I entirely agree. Kurt has done a few things that I would have discounted out
of hand if I was building a ship myself (the hull length, the size of the tops,
the double width hull extension from below, the 2x1 slopes from the top rather
than 3x1).
But the outcome is just stupendous. There are times when one sees at a model
(very few times in a life, more’s the pity) and it quietly and comprehensively
explains itself, what it is and what it does. One forgets about the fact that
its a model and finds oneself drawn to thinking about the real object, its
dimensions and its elements. This is one of those times.
Nice work Kurt.
Leaves my best models bobbing about in the turbulence of her wake :-).
Other posts have picked out some of the dimensions of this, and I more or less
agree all round.
I’d just add that she’s beautiful. Its enough to make a minifig sailor’s eye
well up with tears of joy. I have crews at Port Block already signing up for
passage to where ever it is that she berths, in hope of finding a way to serve
aboard her.
;-)
Richard
Still baldly going...
Sail, see the world, be confused.
Port Block
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In lugnet.pirates, Richard Parsons wrote:
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In lugnet.pirates, Richie Dulin wrote:
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Also, at 7 sections she doesn’t look at all canoe-like. Hmmm....
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I entirely agree. Kurt has done a few things that I would have discounted
out of hand if I was building a ship myself (the hull length, the size of the
tops, the double width hull extension from below, the 2x1 slopes from the top
rather than 3x1).
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I tried many things with leocad, trying to get a “look” both in profile
(cross-section) and abeam.
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But the outcome is just stupendous. There are times when one sees at a model
(very few times in a life, more’s the pity) and it quietly and
comprehensively explains itself, what it is and what it does. One forgets
about the fact that its a model and finds oneself drawn to thinking about the
real object, its dimensions and its elements. This is one of those times.
Nice work Kurt.
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WOW! what can I say... thanks.
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Leaves my best models bobbing about in the turbulence of her wake :-).
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I looked at yours too!!
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Other posts have picked out some of the dimensions of this, and I more or
less agree all round.
I’d just add that she’s beautiful. Its enough to make a minifig sailor’s eye
well up with tears of joy.
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MORE WOW! it’s just a lego ship.
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I have crews at Port Block already signing up for
passage to where ever it is that she berths, in hope of finding a way to
serve aboard her.
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The captain yells “Prepare to repel boarders!!”
thanks again for the high praise.
kurt
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
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In lugnet.pirates, Stephen Rowe wrote:
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In lugnet.pirates, Kurt Baty wrote:
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thank you for the compliments!
sorry it took a day or two for me to get back to you, the semester just started
up again, so im back to having little time.
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but it doesn’t look it though, does it?
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it really doesnt, you did a good job of widening it so that it looks in
proportion, rather than the dreaded “canoe” shape.
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i must echo everyone else in saying you did a great job widening the hull,
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thanks, I saw (studied) the ships out there to see how people were doing it.
It was your ship HM 20 gun Frigate Minotaur
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=92908
(If other readers wonder)
and your efforts to have sheer, that set me off on the quest for
large wide hull with sheer.
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i actually didnt widen the hull, i built it on 4 hull sections, so didnt think i
needed to. but, in the future, i may try my hand at widening, so i can build
something larger. :-) your ship will definitely be a reference point for me.
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the sails you made are excellent, very nice.
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thanks but they are just paper, I may get some cloth ...
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hey, they look way better than mine, i have the hardest time making cloth sails
look decent.
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in general, the mainmast is half as far from the mizzen as
it is from the fore, but you can get away without spacing the main and fore
quite so far apart.
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just to add here, if you look at my more recent ships, i do not follow this rule
as closely as i should, i find i think it looks odd, so i space them a bit
farther apart. i still make the main closer to the mizzen, but not so close.
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I could bring the fore mast forward 6 studs! It would not be easy, it would
be right where the second wedge sloped brick is (from the bow). check that
first pic again.
well, what do you think Mr Dulin?
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I need to get a brickshelf account, and post pictures of the fleet!
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we’d love to see them!
best,
steve
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