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I suspect I'm the only one who hadn't figured this out yet:
Castles aren't starships.
I figured this out last night. See, I'm building a largely white inner keep
for the current revision of the Never Completed Castle. Since it's largely
white, I get to raid the parts from bulk brick tubs to do assembly.
For some reason, my collection of grey parts has very few 1x4s and 1x6es.
So previously, building castles, I'd use huge bricks (1x8+) and use 1x4s
and 1x3s to fill in holes. I'd've never considered using mostly 1x4 bricks,
because when you do that with a spaceship, your ship falls apart on the
first woosh.
Castles don't get wooshed, and even if they did, they're structurally more
sound than spaceships. 1x4 bricks work _quite well_ for castle wall
structures. I found out last night when I thought I'd run out of bricks that
I could complete a whole 'nother floor to the castle.
You'll please excuse me while I bonk my head against the wall... I suspect
the rest of y'all knew this.
Unfortunately, I also have a huge pile of white 1x2x5 columns, and I've
still got no idea how to build something structurally sound out of those...
So then I get to my next questions:
1) Many of my white bricks are decendents from the days when I was a kid.
Many of my white bricks are scuffed and scratched and turning brown from
being scuffed on concrete floors or other random childhood damage. Can one
polish ABS?
2) Are there any currently available sets that have:
1) white castle walls or corner walls?
2) a green 1x3 plate?
3) white castle 'turret tops'? (like the ubiquitous grey ones;
half a 10-spot-diameter octagon with crenelations)?
4) straight staircases?
5) Clear bricks, 1x2 preferrably?
I can't think of any, but I also haven't been paying attention to non
castle-or-space themes...
-JDF
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J.D. Forinash ,-.
foxtrot@cc.gatech.edu ( <
The more you learn, the better your luck gets. `-'
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In lugnet.castle, John D. Forinash writes:
> Castles don't get wooshed,
What?? You mean I've been doing the wrong thing for the past fifteen years?!?!
;)
> Unfortunately, I also have a huge pile of white 1x2x5 columns, and I've
> still got no idea how to build something structurally sound out of those...
These parts are really only structurally sound when used as pillars. They work
well supporting walkways in castle walls. :)
> So then I get to my next questions:
> 1) Many of my white bricks are decendents from the days when I was a kid.
> Many of my white bricks are scuffed and scratched and turning brown from
> being scuffed on concrete floors or other random childhood damage. Can one
> polish ABS?
Brasso will remove dirt, scuffs, and scrapes with a bit of buffing, but it does
not remove yellowing due to age, unfortunately. :(
> 2) Are there any currently available sets that have:
> 1) white castle walls or corner walls?
Not as far as I know...
> 2) a green 1x3 plate?
Yup, but I can't don't know which. I have about ten, I think.
> 3) white castle 'turret tops'? (like the ubiquitous grey ones;
> half a 10-spot-diameter octagon with crenelations)?
I think Cannon Cove is the only set to ever have a white one...
They're eight studs wide, btw. ;)
> 4) straight staircases?
Which kind, the "Fabuland" ones? again, I don't beleive so, but check recent
Belville (pre-fairy tale) sets, there might be some there. I can't guarentee
you'll find a color you want, though...
> 5) Clear bricks, 1x2 preferrably?
These have appeared in a number of Freestyle Tubs and Buckets, I believe.
Jeff
"Every time I think I've hit bottom, someone throws me a shovel."
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In lugnet.castle, Jeff Stembel writes:
> > Unfortunately, I also have a huge pile of white 1x2x5 columns, and I've
> > still got no idea how to build something structurally sound out of those...
>
> These parts are really only structurally sound when used as pillars. They
> work
> well supporting walkways in castle walls. :)
??? I often throw them into the middle of walls, and they seem to work fine.
I try to make sure they are well braced from the top and the bottom, and not
line too many of them up, but I have had little problem with them as a
structral element. I used some of them here:
http://www.people.thirteen.net/~eric/lego/panetteria.html
As well as in the larger (half destroyed) "cathedral" I built. Pics of it can
be seen on the NELUG Webpage (www.nelug.org) under the BrikWars links. It
looks rickety, but that's just a clever ruse. It's quite solid.
eric
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In article <FuAtvD.Cqw@lugnet.com>, Lorbaat <eric@nospam.thirteen.net> wrote:
> line too many of them up, but I have had little problem with them as a
> structral element. I used some of them here:
While I don't woosh castles, I do manipulate them-- for example, my current
version has levels that one can lift off one another.
I find that when one goes with a design like that, it looks a lot better,
much, much better. But some fool (usually me) is going to make lots of
little pieces at some point.
A design like that yields effectively large sections:
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Where the only places the sections can be locked together are on the
tops and bottoms.
I really like the looks of it, and it yields a quite modular design,
but I can't make it stay together.
Which brings me to yet another question:
What's the trick to relatively durable buildings built in that style?
(sorry, lotsa meta-castle design questions, little in the way of
photographs. I'll try to fix that soon...)
-JDF
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J.D. Forinash ,-.
foxtrot@cc.gatech.edu ( <
The more you learn, the better your luck gets. `-'
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In lugnet.castle, John D. Forinash writes:
> I really like the looks of it, and it yields a quite modular design,
> but I can't make it stay together.
>
> Which brings me to yet another question:
>
> What's the trick to relatively durable buildings built in that style?
I've found the best way is layers of bricks or plates on top and bottom
strengthen it enough. This is one of the reasons I don't really use it; it
gobbles up plates, and bricks make it too tall... :) (I had forgotten about
this use of those bricks in my original post, sorry.)
Jeff
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J.D. Forinash <foxtrot@cc.gatech.edu> wrote in message
news:8f9nuj$72q$1@cc731244-b.chmbl1.cc.ga.home.com...
> In article <FuAtvD.Cqw@lugnet.com>, Lorbaat <eric@nospam.thirteen.net> • wrote:
> > line too many of them up, but I have had little problem with them as a
> > structral element. I used some of them here:
>
> While I don't woosh castles, I do manipulate them-- for example, my • current
> version has levels that one can lift off one another.
I also have built castles with the "lift off" design. I prefer them to ones
that hinge (although some of the hinged creations I have seen are very
impressive - i.e. Ed Boxer's AMAZING white castle).
[snip]
> Where the only places the sections can be locked together are on the
> tops and bottoms.
>
> I really like the looks of it, and it yields a quite modular design,
> but I can't make it stay together.
>
> Which brings me to yet another question:
>
> What's the trick to relatively durable buildings built in that style?
What I have done is to not have the sections lock together with studs at
all. Instead I have the upper section rest on a row of tiles and place
corresponding bricks on the underside of the upper section which slide down
immediately to the inside of the lower section walls. This, in effect,
"locks" the upper section in place. Unless you tip the castle to 90
degrees, this will provide a sturdy construction.
Tim
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In lugnet.castle, Jeff Stembel writes:
> In lugnet.castle, John D. Forinash writes:
> > 2) Are there any currently available sets that have:
> > 1) white castle walls or corner walls?
>
> Not as far as I know...
There are; but they're not currently in production. Like in <set:6265 this
set>. But I doubt you could get them cheaply...
> > 4) straight staircases?
>
> Which kind, the "Fabuland" ones? again, I don't beleive so, but check recent
> Belville (pre-fairy tale) sets, there might be some there. I can't guarentee
> you'll find a color you want, though...
Nu-uh. BV had only spiral staircases, IIRC. OTOH, there are at least two types
of straight staircases; one came with Fort Legoredo, and it doesn't have the
rising (I think that's the right term) or a rail. There's also another type, I
think it appeared in space sets, but I'm not sure which. Both of these
appeared in black, I think, which is a not-bad-at-all color for castles...
> > 5) Clear bricks, 1x2 preferrably?
>
> These have appeared in a number of Freestyle Tubs and Buckets, I believe.
And perhaps town sets as well.
-Shiri
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In lugnet.castle, Shiri Dori writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Jeff Stembel writes:
> > In lugnet.castle, John D. Forinash writes:
> > > 2) Are there any currently available sets that have:
> > > 1) white castle walls or corner walls?
> >
> > Not as far as I know...
>
> There are; but they're not currently in production. Like in <set:6265 this
> set>. But I doubt you could get them cheaply...
Yup, I know, but he asked if any were in current production. Other sets
include 725, 4020, 6276, 6277, and undoubtedly a few more...
>
> > > 4) straight staircases?
> >
> > Which kind, the "Fabuland" ones? again, I don't beleive so, but check recent
> > Belville (pre-fairy tale) sets, there might be some there. I can't guarentee
> > you'll find a color you want, though...
>
> Nu-uh. BV had only spiral staircases, IIRC.
Yes, they did, I have some. :) I just thought there where more than there
actually are. ;) (see below)
> OTOH, there are at least two types of straight staircases; one came with Fort
> Legoredo, and it doesn't have the rising (I think that's the right term) or a
> rail.
A cream one appears in <set:5808>.
> There's also another type, I think it appeared in space sets, but I'm not sure
> which. Both of these appeared in black, I think, which is a not-bad-at-all
> color for castles...
These stairs appeared in Castle, Pirate, Belville, and Fabuland as well.
Magenta in <set:5870>, Dark Gray in <set:6270> and <set:6273>, Black in
<set:6082> and <set:6988>, Yellow in <set:3676>, <set:3681>, and <set:3682>.
>
> > > 5) Clear bricks, 1x2 preferrably?
> >
> > These have appeared in a number of Freestyle Tubs and Buckets, I believe.
>
> And perhaps town sets as well.
Not recently. Only Freestyle has had them recently, AFAIK.
Jeff
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In article <FuB6qG.GDC@lugnet.com>,
Jeff Stembel <aulddragon@wamalug.org> wrote:
> Yup, I know, but he asked if any were in current production. Other sets
> include 725, 4020, 6276, 6277, and undoubtedly a few more...
Yeah, this is the problem. I'd never been much into pirate, see, and now
I note all those pirate sets that had a whole bunch of parts that'd be
useful today...
> A cream one appears in <set:5808>.
Hm, didn't even know that one existed.
> These stairs appeared in Castle, Pirate, Belville, and Fabuland as well.
> Magenta in <set:5870>, Dark Gray in <set:6270> and <set:6273>, Black in
> <set:6082> and <set:6988>, Yellow in <set:3676>, <set:3681>, and <set:3682>.
This is the type I was thinking of. I was afraid it was pretty much a
deprecated piece.
-JDF
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J.D. Forinash ,-.
foxtrot@cc.gatech.edu ( <
The more you learn, the better your luck gets. `-'
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In lugnet.castle, John D. Forinash writes:
> In article <FuB6qG.GDC@lugnet.com>,
> Jeff Stembel <aulddragon@wamalug.org> wrote:
> > Yup, I know, but he asked if any were in current production. Other sets
> > include 725, 4020, 6276, 6277, and undoubtedly a few more...
>
> Yeah, this is the problem. I'd never been much into pirate, see, and now
> I note all those pirate sets that had a whole bunch of parts that'd be
> useful today...
Tell me about it... I am just now beginning to re-appreciate them (as a kid I
really wanted them, but...). Once I get some better funds, I'll consider
shelling some dough on a pirate set or two (or ten).
> > A cream one appears in <set:5808>.
>
> Hm, didn't even know that one existed.
What, the staircase? or the set? <grin>
(The staircase also came with <set:6769>, in black.)
> > These stairs appeared in Castle, Pirate, Belville, and Fabuland as well.
> > Magenta in <set:5870>, Dark Gray in <set:6270> and <set:6273>, Black in
> > <set:6082> and <set:6988>, Yellow in <set:3676>, <set:3681>, and <set:3682>.
>
> This is the type I was thinking of. I was afraid it was pretty much a
> deprecated piece.
Actually, I'd love it if I could get my hands on it. It's better than the
spiral staircases, thasfersure.
-Shiri
P.S. I just noticed that those weird commas in your sig are actually Pacman!
That's hilarious!
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In article <FuBAvC.Cvo@lugnet.com>, Shiri Dori <shirid@hotmail.com> wrote:
> What, the staircase? or the set? <grin>
> (The staircase also came with <set:6769>, in black.)
The staircase. Fort Legoredo is the one of that genre of sets I missed, of
course. I need to go see if the TRU near home still had those... I was
hoping to wait 'til clearance. :)
> Actually, I'd love it if I could get my hands on it. It's better than the
> spiral staircases, thasfersure.
So, of course, which do I have more of in my collection? :)
The spiral staircases come in handy, though-- they take up less floor space
in a tower structure.
> P.S. I just noticed that those weird commas in your sig are actually Pacman!
> That's hilarious!
It doesn't come out so well in fonts that aren't fixed-width [0]... :) I
just took a look at it, and it looks particularly bizarre on the web
interface...
[0] I am unfrozen cave-man news junkie. I read/post lugnet using old-style
Usenet-type newsreader on a fixed-width-font terminal window... I'm also
unfrozen cave-man videogame junkie as well. :)
-JDF
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J.D. Forinash ,-.
foxtrot@cc.gatech.edu ( <
The more you learn, the better your luck gets. `-'
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<snip a lot>
> [0] I am unfrozen cave-man news junkie. I read/post lugnet using old-style
> Usenet-type newsreader on a fixed-width-font terminal window... I'm also
> unfrozen cave-man videogame junkie as well. :)
>
> -JDF
You and me both, brother. The oldies are the goodies. Give me Donkey Kong
and Pac Man over Crash Bandicoot and "insert game title" 64 anyday!
-Chris
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Re: doh!
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Thu, 11 May 2000 19:25:17 GMT
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On Tue, 9 May 2000 13:58:21 GMT, foxtrot@cc.gatech.edu (J.D. Forinash)
wrote:
> Unfortunately, I also have a huge pile of white 1x2x5 columns, and I've
> still got no idea how to build something structurally sound out of those...
There's a trick I use to build walls with these pieces.
Unfortunately, it uses the somewhat rare white pirate (castle) wall
pieces as well. You could, of course, use black or grey just as
easily. You can position the columns in front of the wall piece so
that it covers the window, and voila! Check the link below, which is
a picture of one side of the castle I'm currently working on.
http://www.akasa.bc.ca/vlc/vlc000505/05/0505_103.jpg.html
Look specifically at the white tower. Notice that the window is
formed by the open corners of the four white wall pieces. I put a 1x2
tile in the window to cover the studs and there you have it.
Robin
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-snip-
> 2) Are there any currently available sets that have:
> 1) white castle walls or corner walls?
> 2) a green 1x3 plate?
> 3) white castle 'turret tops'? (like the ubiquitous grey ones;
> half a 10-spot-diameter octagon with crenelations)?
> 4) straight staircases?
> 5) Clear bricks, 1x2 preferrably?
4 clear bricks are currently available in 4128 XL value freesytle bucket. If
there not available at your local store try the Lego outlets. I do know its
at LLC for about $19 each and they have lots. They will also ship
internationally.
>
> I can't think of any, but I also haven't been paying attention to non
> castle-or-space themes...
>
> -JDF
> --
> J.D. Forinash ,-.
> foxtrot@cc.gatech.edu ( <
> The more you learn, the better your luck gets. `-'
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In lugnet.castle, John D. Forinash writes:
> I suspect I'm the only one who hadn't figured this out yet:
>
> Castles aren't starships.
I'm catching up on posts,(computer crashed) and I thought I would make a
comment.
Mechs aren't castles.
I'm building Ron and Randy's Vulture (1) with my own weapon config and
pieces. It took a couple of hours to make it stand.
Rob
(1) Look under "build.mecha" (I still need to learn how to make a link in the
text)
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