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In lugnet.cad, Eric Sophie wrote:
> In reality, this is a start.
>
> Imagine if you will, a giant facility filled with millions of parts. A full
> pallet of Lego parts in all system sizes and shapes, with machines to divert,
> sort pack feed label and collect the 40 left monkey arms Pharmacy style I need
> to complete that ship that guy made! Completely automated, full pallet, Pick and
> pack facilty, Parts Farming Madness!
Yes, this is probably the kind of system that Jake prompted us to imagine when
he asked us to ponder where this system might be 6-10 years down the road
(provided it is sucessful). As you brilliantly put it, in the "World of next
Thursday." I am concerned that this first step, while incredibly neat, might
not draw the huge amounts of people into the system that are needed to get to
"step two."
Personally, I have never understoodthe current parts packing system and I see it
as a roadblock to getting to "step two." I'd like to see baggies of parts that
have about 10 of the identical element restricted to the most common colors as
the basis of the parts pallettes we can work with in LDD. This would vastly
reduce the cost of ordering a model that used, say, 15 1x4x3 brown window
frames. To me, it would also seem easier than diverting baggies from production
sets that might contain 3 brown 1x4x3 windows along with 23 different and
miscellaneously colored parts. Are they overthinking how to implement this
scheme? Or would it be too much of a risk to dedicate these 10-pack parts packs
to the LDD/Factory concept?
--
Thomas Main
thomasmain@myrealbox.com
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In lugnet.cad, Thomas Main wrote:
snip
> I am concerned that this first step, while incredibly neat, might
> not draw the huge amounts of people into the system that are needed to get to
> "step two."
I agree.
>
> Personally, I have never understoodthe current parts packing system and I see it
> as a roadblock to getting to "step two." I'd like to see baggies of parts that
> have about 10 of the identical element restricted to the most common colors as
> the basis of the parts pallettes we can work with in LDD. This would vastly
> reduce the cost of ordering a model that used, say, 15 1x4x3 brown window
> frames.
One other possibility would be allowing us to use existing bulk packs in our
models. If I am building a house with a black roof, then I could upload a black
roof tiles pack and use that. The problem I have with the current system is the
same as yours, there are too many parts in each palatte that do not get used in
the model. These palatte sizes are too large and too expensive. 10 element
bags do seem a bit small. But 25 or 50 element bags would be great. Hopefully
some fan input will improve the piece selection. Currently I do not want to
build anything and order it because I can just go and buy the designer set.
Ben
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In lugnet.general, Benjamin Ellermann wrote:
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The problem I have with the current system is the
same as yours, there are too many parts in each palatte that do not get used
in the model. These palatte sizes are too large and too expensive. 10
element bags do seem a bit small. But 25 or 50 element bags would be great.
Hopefully some fan input will improve the piece selection. Currently I do not
want to build anything and order it because I can just go and buy the designer
set.
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Well, not necessarily. My Railroad Crossing (rats, it seems that there are no
URLs for individual models, so I can’t point you directly to it) model uses
parts from all five bricksets, yet the cost is $18.95. So I don’t think you’re
buying complete sets, but maybe bags from the designer sets (though this is pure
speculation, I haven’t seen any answer from LEGO yet about what the real part
sets are).
Best,
– Joe
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In lugnet.general, Joe Strout wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Benjamin Ellermann wrote:
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The problem I have with the current system is the
same as yours, there are too many parts in each palatte that do not get used
in the model. These palatte sizes are too large and too expensive. 10
element bags do seem a bit small. But 25 or 50 element bags would be great.
Hopefully some fan input will improve the piece selection. Currently I do
not want to build anything and order it because I can just go and buy the
designer set.
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Well, not necessarily. My Railroad Crossing (rats, it seems that there are
no URLs for individual models, so I can’t point you directly to it)
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And that is a feature we really need, at least at some point. How else can we
talk about stuff (except by asking people to search by name?) More importantly,
how else are we going to publicise our models and drive incremental sales into
the system and help make LF a big success?
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model
uses parts from all five bricksets, yet the cost is $18.95. So I don’t think
you’re buying complete sets, but maybe bags from the designer sets (though
this is pure speculation, I haven’t seen any answer from LEGO yet about what
the real part sets are).
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I think it fits our guesswork too, it’s bags from sets. The part count on the
house matches closely, anyway (although it’s off by 3 parts IIRC) Peeron has the
bag info for some sets, but of course that changes over time sometimes. AND it
will be a pain to suss out. Swithcing to selecting bags for the palette instead
of sets (and including bulk parts already in the assortment) seems a good way to
go.
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In lugnet.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Joe Strout wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Benjamin Ellermann wrote:
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The problem I have with the current system is the
same as yours, there are too many parts in each palatte that do not get
used in the model. These palatte sizes are too large and too expensive.
10 element bags do seem a bit small. But 25 or 50 element bags would be
great. Hopefully some fan input will improve the piece selection.
Currently I do not want to build anything and order it because I can just
go and buy the designer set.
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Well, not necessarily. My Railroad Crossing (rats, it seems that there are
no URLs for individual models, so I can’t point you directly to it)
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And that is a feature we really need, at least at some point. How else can we
talk about stuff (except by asking people to search by name?) More
importantly, how else are we going to publicise our models and drive
incremental sales into the system and help make LF a big success?
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Hmm. If you dig around in the page source for the model pop-ups, you can find
the lxf file:
http://www1.lego.com/upload/gallery81D4B919-A1F7-4FDD-B69A-3E9D931B7928/f376e653-c50d-47bf-904f-80bd5c33bdbf.lxf
and the thumbnail:
http://cache.lego.com/upload/gallery81D4B919-A1F7-4FDD-B69A-3E9D931B7928/f376e653-c50d-47bf-904f-80bd5c33bdbf.jpg
Of course, an URL that goes right to the model would be a lot nicer.
Marc Nelson Jr.
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In lugnet.general, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Joe Strout wrote:
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Well, not necessarily. My Railroad Crossing (rats, it seems that there are
no URLs for individual models, so I can’t point you directly to it)
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And that is a feature we really need, at least at some point. How else can
we talk about stuff (except by asking people to search by name?) More
importantly, how else are we going to publicise our models and drive
incremental sales into the system and help make LF a big success?
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Hmm. If you dig around in the page source for the model pop-ups, you can find
the lxf file:
http://www1.lego.com/upload/gallery81D4B919-A1F7-4FDD-B69A-3E9D931B7928/f376e653-c50d-47bf-904f-80bd5c33bdbf.lxf
and the thumbnail:
http://cache.lego.com/upload/gallery81D4B919-A1F7-4FDD-B69A-3E9D931B7928/f376e653-c50d-47bf-904f-80bd5c33bdbf.jpg
Of course, an URL that goes right to the model would be a lot nicer.
Marc Nelson Jr.
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Good hacks. Can someone else follow those links and buy the model though??? I’m
thinking not.
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In lugnet.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Joe Strout wrote:
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Well, not necessarily. My Railroad Crossing (rats, it seems that there
are no URLs for individual models, so I can’t point you directly to it)
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And that is a feature we really need, at least at some point. How else can
we talk about stuff (except by asking people to search by name?) More
importantly, how else are we going to publicise our models and drive
incremental sales into the system and help make LF a big success?
|
Hmm. If you dig around in the page source for the model pop-ups, you can
find the lxf file:
http://www1.lego.com/upload/gallery81D4B919-A1F7-4FDD-B69A-3E9D931B7928/f376e653-c50d-47bf-904f-80bd5c33bdbf.lxf
and the thumbnail:
http://cache.lego.com/upload/gallery81D4B919-A1F7-4FDD-B69A-3E9D931B7928/f376e653-c50d-47bf-904f-80bd5c33bdbf.jpg
Of course, an URL that goes right to the model would be a lot nicer.
Marc Nelson Jr.
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Good hacks. Can someone else follow those links and buy the model though???
I’m thinking not.
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Well, try this:
http://shop.lego.com/Product/?p=LFH001&mid=36E88CAD-352F-4A46-A594-CA28229B54A8
I went to the gallery, found the railroad crossing, opened the popup and did a
price check...that gets you to a webpage.
You can also email your model to someone. For use on LUGNET, though, this would
be the way to go.
Joe
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In lugnet.general, Joe Meno wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Joe Strout wrote:
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Well, not necessarily. My Railroad Crossing (rats, it seems that there
are no URLs for individual models, so I can’t point you directly to it)
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And that is a feature we really need, at least at some point. How else can
we talk about stuff (except by asking people to search by name?) More
importantly, how else are we going to publicise our models and drive
incremental sales into the system and help make LF a big success?
|
Hmm. If you dig around in the page source for the model pop-ups, you can
find the lxf file:
http://www1.lego.com/upload/gallery81D4B919-A1F7-4FDD-B69A-3E9D931B7928/f376e653-c50d-47bf-904f-80bd5c33bdbf.lxf
and the thumbnail:
http://cache.lego.com/upload/gallery81D4B919-A1F7-4FDD-B69A-3E9D931B7928/f376e653-c50d-47bf-904f-80bd5c33bdbf.jpg
Of course, an URL that goes right to the model would be a lot nicer.
Marc Nelson Jr.
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Good hacks. Can someone else follow those links and buy the model though???
I’m thinking not.
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Well, try this:
http://shop.lego.com/Product/?p=LFH001&mid=36E88CAD-352F-4A46-A594-CA28229B54A8
I went to the gallery, found the railroad crossing, opened the popup and did
a price check...that gets you to a webpage.
You can also email your model to someone. For use on LUGNET, though, this
would be the way to go.
Joe
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Cool! And the ‘Building Instructions’ link gets you the .lxf file. Great work!
Replacing everything after “mid=” with everything after the last slash in the
.lxf and .jpg links gets me a link to my Yellow Jet:
http://shop.lego.com/Product/?p=LFH001&mid=f376e653-c50d-47bf-904f-80bd5c33bdbf
It looks like you can’t buy two different LEGO Factory models in the same order
- they both have the same SKU (LFH001), and there’s a one per customer limit.
When I tried to add my model to the cart after adding Joe’s, I get this:
# Oops: You have exceeded the maximum number allowed for this item. No more
of this item can be added.
Marc Nelson Jr.
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In lugnet.general, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote:
(snip)
http://shop.lego.com/Product/?p=LFH001&mid=f376e653-c50d-47bf-904f-80bd5c33bdbf
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It looks like you can’t buy two different LEGO Factory models in the same
order - they both have the same SKU (LFH001), and there’s a one per customer
limit. When I tried to add my model to the cart after adding Joe’s, I get
this:
# Oops: You have exceeded the maximum number allowed for this item. No
more of this item can be added.
Marc Nelson Jr.
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Now that’s a problem.
Joe
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In lugnet.general, Joe Strout wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Benjamin Ellermann wrote:
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The problem I have with the current system is the
same as yours, there are too many parts in each palatte that do not get used
in the model.
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My Railroad Crossing (rats, it seems that there are
no URLs for individual models, so I can’t point you directly to it) model
uses parts from all five bricksets, yet the cost is $18.95. So I don’t think
you’re buying complete sets, but maybe bags from the designer sets (though
this is pure speculation, I haven’t seen any answer from LEGO yet about what
the real part sets are).
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Being a minimalist, the first model I uploaded was a single piece priced at
$3.99. It came with 77 spare pieces. I find that reasonable for a custom set.
I captured the S@H screen here:
http://www.elecbrick.com/lego/factory/stud.html
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In lugnet.general, Doug Eaton wrote:
LOL! I love it, having that available next to somebody’s model that took them
three days to build. Now, if somebody were really evil, they’d create a separate
model for each piece available and name it with the LDraw part number or
something.
Kelly
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In lugnet.general, Kelly McKiernan wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Doug Eaton wrote:
LOL! I love it, having that available next to somebody’s model that took them
three days to build. Now, if somebody were really evil, they’d create a
separate model for each piece available and name it with the LDraw part
number or something.
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Except... Limit 1 per customer :(
ROSCO
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Joe Strout wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Benjamin Ellermann wrote:
>
>
> > The problem I have with the current system is the
> > same as yours, there are too many parts in each palatte that do not get used
> > in the model. These palatte sizes are too large and too expensive. 10
> > element bags do seem a bit small. But 25 or 50 element bags would be great.
> > Hopefully some fan input will improve the piece selection. Currently I do not
> > want to build anything and order it because I can just go and buy the designer
> > set.
>
>
> Well, not necessarily. My Railroad Crossing (rats, it seems that there are no
> URLs for individual models, so I can't point you directly to it) model uses
> parts from all five bricksets, yet the cost is $18.95. So I don't think you're
> buying complete sets, but maybe bags from the designer sets (though this is pure
> speculation, I haven't seen any answer from LEGO yet about what the real part
> sets are).
>
> Best,¬
> – Joe
Hmm, then what would be nice is a way of telling when you are openning a
new bag. For example, I built a Red Pickup truck, and my model set
basically works out to be the Designer set that builds cars, but my
model set costs 24.95. Now, if I had known that adding detail x or brick
y was going to force me to open another baggy, then maybe I wouldn't
have opened it. My model would be almost as good, but then I wouldn't
have so many extra parts. (My model used 151 but the set contain 278).
Chris
--
http://users.rcn.com/cjmasi/lego/
Learn about brittle bone disease
http://www.oif.org/
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In lugnet.cad, Thomas Main wrote:
> In lugnet.cad, Eric Sophie wrote:
>
> > In reality, this is a start.
> >
> > Imagine if you will, a giant facility filled with millions of parts. A full
> > pallet of Lego parts in all system sizes and shapes, with machines to divert,
> > sort pack feed label and collect the 40 left monkey arms Pharmacy style I need
> > to complete that ship that guy made! Completely automated, full pallet, Pick and
> > pack facilty, Parts Farming Madness!
>
> Yes, this is probably the kind of system that Jake prompted us to imagine when
> he asked us to ponder where this system might be 6-10 years down the road
> (provided it is sucessful). As you brilliantly put it, in the "World of next
> Thursday." I am concerned that this first step, while incredibly neat, might
> not draw the huge amounts of people into the system that are needed to get to
> "step two."
>
> Personally, I have never understoodthe current parts packing system and I see it
> as a roadblock to getting to "step two." I'd like to see baggies of parts that
> have about 10 of the identical element restricted to the most common colors as
> the basis of the parts pallettes we can work with in LDD. This would vastly
> reduce the cost of ordering a model that used, say, 15 1x4x3 brown window
> frames. To me, it would also seem easier than diverting baggies from production
> sets that might contain 3 brown 1x4x3 windows along with 23 different and
> miscellaneously colored parts. Are they overthinking how to implement this
> scheme? Or would it be too much of a risk to dedicate these 10-pack parts packs
> to the LDD/Factory concept?
>
> --
> Thomas Main
> thomasmain@myrealbox.com
Thomas,
You must have been reading my mind.... I was thinking about building a Lego
Factory Skyscraper with 8 black 1x4x3 windows on each floor, and making it 10
stories tall. Well based on the fact that only 6 come in a baggie, I can only
imagine what my final price will be with using 13 baggies that have those, plus
all the other baggies I might need for more common white bricks. Also, all the
extra parts that will come with these 13+ baggies! $$$$$
I too am worried about getting to Step 2 if Step 1 is so very restrictive and
may not be successful! I only hope that the Lego Factory's dependence on these
baggies will not cause its' downfall.
Gary Istok
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In lugnet.general, Gerhard R. Istok wrote:
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In lugnet.cad, Thomas Main wrote:
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Personally, I have never understood the current parts packing system and I
see it as a roadblock to getting to “step two.” I’d like to see baggies of
parts that have about 10 of the identical element restricted to the most
common colors as the basis of the parts pallettes we can work with in LDD.
This would vastly reduce the cost of ordering a model that used, say, 15
1x4x3 brown window frames.
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You must have been reading my mind.... I was thinking about building a Lego
Factory Skyscraper with 8 black 1x4x3 windows on each floor, and making it 10
stories tall. Well based on the fact that only 6 come in a baggie, I can only
imagine what my final price will be with using 13 baggies that have those,
plus all the other baggies I might need for more common white bricks. Also,
all the extra parts that will come with these 13+ baggies! $$$$$
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To test your theory and see how bad it would actually be, I built your tower.
http://www.elecbrick.com/lego/factory/10storyfactory.htm
10 Story Tower (window frames only):
Total Pieces: 637
(Pieces used in set: 78)
Price: USD 72.67
You are buying window frames at $0.93 each and getting 559 pieces free. Several
BrickLink stores are charging more for these pieces and only one store has that
quantity available. I think this is actually a pretty good value proposition
for rare parts.
Doug
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In lugnet.general, Doug Eaton wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Gerhard R. Istok wrote:
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In lugnet.cad, Thomas Main wrote:
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Personally, I have never understood the current parts packing system and I
see it as a roadblock to getting to “step two.” I’d like to see baggies of
parts that have about 10 of the identical element restricted to the most
common colors as the basis of the parts pallettes we can work with in LDD.
This would vastly reduce the cost of ordering a model that used, say, 15
1x4x3 brown window frames.
|
You must have been reading my mind.... I was thinking about building a Lego
Factory Skyscraper with 8 black 1x4x3 windows on each floor, and making it
10 stories tall. Well based on the fact that only 6 come in a baggie, I can
only imagine what my final price will be with using 13 baggies that have
those, plus all the other baggies I might need for more common white bricks.
Also, all the extra parts that will come with these 13+ baggies! $$$$$
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To test your theory and see how bad it would actually be, I built your tower.
http://www.elecbrick.com/lego/factory/10storyfactory.htm
10 Story Tower (window frames only):
Total Pieces: 637
(Pieces used in set: 78)
Price: USD 72.67
You are buying window frames at $0.93 each and getting 559 pieces free.
Several BrickLink stores are charging more for these pieces and only one
store has that quantity available. I think this is actually a pretty good
value proposition for rare parts.
Doug
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That depend’s on whether or not the clear glass panes for the windows come in
the same baggies. Or will it require another 13 baggies!
That black window is one of the few Brick Factory parts that I don’t mind paying
a premium on.
Of course, with my luck that 559 pieces “free” will come with 130 of those
headlight bricks that I don’t much care for (in the “Lego I Hate” thread). :-(
Thanks for checking it out Doug!
Gary Istok
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In lugnet.general, Gerhard R. Istok wrote:
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That depend’s on whether or not the clear glass panes for the windows come in
the same baggies. Or will it require another 13 baggies!
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As you got me thinking about this...
Just uploaded a “test” window. One black window with one glass insert.
Total cost: $11.98
Pieces used in set: 2
Total pieces: 121
Either it’s one big ol’ bag of parts, or methinks it’s two seperate bags.
Kris
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In lugnet.general, Kris Jacobson wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Gerhard R. Istok wrote:
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That depend’s on whether or not the clear glass panes for the windows come
in the same baggies. Or will it require another 13 baggies!
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As you got me thinking about this...
Just uploaded a “test” window. One black window with one glass insert.
Total cost: $11.98
Pieces used in set: 2
Total pieces: 121
Either it’s one big ol’ bag of parts, or methinks it’s two seperate bags.
Kris
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Thanks Kris!
That would make $11.98 X 13 = $155.74 (plus the 8 scadzillion other pieces you
get) ..... YIKES!!!
Now add into that all the white bricks for making it a decent looking model....
it starts adding up!
I can say this much, before I order anything via the Lego Factory route, I will
need to know what all the parts are in each baggie!
Gary Istok
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In lugnet.general, Gerhard R. Istok wrote:
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That would make $11.98 X 13 = $155.74 (plus the 8 scadzillion other pieces
you get) ..... YIKES!!!
Now add into that all the white bricks for making it a decent looking
model.... it starts adding up!
I can say this much, before I order anything via the Lego Factory route, I
will need to know what all the parts are in each baggie!
Gary Istok
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Tack on a white 2x4 and the price goes to $15.27. You do get 22 white 2x4’s
apparently in the next bag, which incidently, if you just make a model of the
above mentioned bricks it costs $4.99. So apparently there is savings there
with the more you buy ($1.70 in this case adding the bag of 2x4’s and whatever
else makes up the 180 total pieces in this 3 piece case scenario.)
Kris
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In lugnet.general, Gerhard R. Istok wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Kris Jacobson wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Gerhard R. Istok wrote:
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That depend’s on whether or not the clear glass panes for the windows come
in the same baggies. Or will it require another 13 baggies!
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As you got me thinking about this...
Just uploaded a “test” window. One black window with one glass insert.
Total cost: $11.98
Pieces used in set: 2
Total pieces: 121
Either it’s one big ol’ bag of parts, or methinks it’s two seperate bags.
Kris
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Thanks Kris!
That would make $11.98 X 13 = $155.74 (plus the 8 scadzillion other pieces
you get) ..... YIKES!!!
Now add into that all the white bricks for making it a decent looking
model.... it starts adding up!
I can say this much, before I order anything via the Lego Factory route, I
will need to know what all the parts are in each baggie!
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Keep your eye on BrickWiki,
then... As discussed in this
LEGOFan thread
there is some serious hacking into these mysteries, and perl coding, going on as
we speak.
The bags have been inventoried (perhaps not quite correctly for My House, the
volunteers were working from purchased sets which may not quite match) for
My
House,
My
Plane and
My
Robot. Only My Animal(4884) and My Car(4883) need doing. (Unfortunately Peeron
didn’t already carry the bag info in this case, so volunteers are needed, if you
have an unopened copy of one of these sets, please inventory them!)
See the inventories, and read about other LDD and LEGO Factory gleanings, by
starting in this category:
LEGO Factory
If you want to actually change your installation of LDD to account for
individual bags, read about it in this article:
Custom LDD part
sets... you’ll be using files from this category:
LDD tix files
This is a community effort and everyone is invited to contribute what they know.
The info is growing as we speak. LDD and LF LEGO reps haven’t commented at
LEGOFan (the only place they will) for quite a few days now, but there is hope
they will do so soon.
++Lar
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