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(...) Thomas: First, thanks for your comments (I don't know if I've thanked you directly yet). Second, things have just been "peeled" way back to their bare essentials. The underlying system is almost the same, but it's got a completely new skin -- (...) (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.announce) !
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(...) Ah yes, erase. I wasn't considering that -- good call. I suppose with the 1 button idea, the button could change to 'undo rating' or something once you've rated an article (although that requires a lookup). (...) One consideration is that (...) (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Todd Lehman writes: [snipped some good discussion and examples] (...) This does seem like a positive change. I appreciate not having as many choices. I personally have not been a victim of getting low ratings on messages (...) (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Good point, but keep in mind that it's using old data -- collected under the old system. Having an explicit "Spotlight" highlighting choice may (ought to) make this not only easier but clearer for people. (...) Yup, the threshold can be set to (...) (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) The theory (my theory, anyway *grin*) is that the new system will shortly result in more people participating, so it'll all work out. One concept would be to have the spotlight threshold be related to the number of ratings made within the (...) (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Definitely agree. It sure makes it easier for me to know what to rate and what the rating specifically. (...) Do you mean something like it could "change its mind" daily to make sure that some minimun number of posts show up? (...) I (...) (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Agreed. I will be using the new system more than the old. (...) I would love to see weekly and monthly spotlights. Great idea! John Gramley (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Another alternative might be to let the user give the threshold and time- period they want at view-time! :-) Someone in a super-hurry who only stops in once a month might want to set the threshold to 95 and 30 days. Someone who dips in quick (...) (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Ya, something like that -- I was just being nebulous -- needs some magic sprinkles applied somewhere to make it work. Maybe letting the user set the threshold would simply solve it. (...) Ya, the left-column (weblog style) methodology is best (...) (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Hello Todd, I thought the exclamation point was a good idea. This little circle is just too darn small to see especially by looking at it from a laptop. How about some kind of a small graphic like a red star? D. (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Yes, please. But I personally would like to see that as possibly an additional choice and to always have a "standard" daily spotlight. I know all I would have to do is innput the right values and I could get it myself, but I liked the (...) (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Hrmmm.... maybe this is the Bushmills talking, but this new thing (I just noticed it) seems a little ... watered down. I'll admit - I've rated things high and low, for lots of reasons. I'll probably not go back and read this whole discussion (...) (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) No, but one example of the Spotlight page having "its own opinion" might be if it gave a significantly higher precedence to articles appearing in newsgroups containing the name "announce", regardless of current human input. That is, maybe the (...) (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) bare (...) appeal. This does not change the fact that the data itself leaves a lot to be desired. All this tinkering tinkering is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. If I were a new here, I'd be bemused both by all this "admin" (...) (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general) !
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(...) Whoa -- dang -- I didn't realize how easy this would actually be to do when I wrote that. Here's something sorta like that (it goes back a maximum of 7 days): (URL) Yes, please. But I personally would like to see that as possibly an (...) OK, (...) (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Definitely. Downside: it requires some comprehension of what the numbers mean. It'd be nice to have decent auto-calculated day, week, and month pre-made options. (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Todd Lehman writes: <snip> (...) Well, thank you and the community for having such a detailed and invloved discussion and consideration of the system. I never really expected this sort of response; I suppose that a lot of (...) (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) articles? Also, it's very hard to see how articles have been rated with the little circles. I think it would make the highighting much more useful to the casual reader if it actually highlighted the newsworthy articles. For example, the (...) (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Canned queries? Ya sure, definitely, things like this?-- (3 URLs) meaningful link labels, of course :-) --Todd (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I agree. 65 works okay for the last day, but 75-ish will be better long-term when more people are making recommendations. (...) This is a really good idea. I agree with Bram that when this is up and running, the user's skip-filter settings (...) (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Actually, it'd be cool if it could auto-calculate a reasonable threshold for a given period. That may not prove to be necessary though. (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I liked the left column since it allowed me to go to the link mentioned in the article directly, and not have to open the message to get to it. Perhaps it could be replaced with a "references" column, that will just extract the (...) (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) elapsed time... shouldn't it sort by rating, perhaps with a time formula to lower the rating? :) Dan (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) See text at top of page there. (...) It would quite easy to offer a sorting choice -- a) Newest first ("weblog" style) b) Most recommended first ("weekly top 40" style) c) Fuzzy combination of both ("today's top stories" style) --Todd (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) doh, yup... it's right there. (...) mmm... fuzzy :) by day then by rating? nod... even put a separator between days, somewhat like the current (Static) spotlight... :) Dan (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Hmm...Maybe, but I meant fuzzy in the fuzzy-logic sense -- take the internal score (0-100) and convert it to a real number in the unit interval [0,1], then take the age of the message relative to the specified time period and make that also a (...) (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) nodnod, that's what I expect from the top40 page, but for the spotlight (which I do like to think of as day oriented) the age of the message shouldn't matter that much, cause the set we're ranking is (should be, IMO) restricted to one day... (...) (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Yes. I still think that Matthew's (and other people's) suggestions to have more than one category is useful; but I'd much rather let the whole thing drop. The way it is now (highlight--spotlight--nothing) is fine, and useful. And if you make a (...) (24 years ago, 22-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) No red stars, please. The red star is one of the signs of evil walking the face of the earth. ++Lar (24 years ago, 23-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I did a quick font test yesterday and noticed that the exclamation point in Arial & Verdana displays double-weight when put inside of <B></B>, but that the degree symbol in same fonts doesn't get any bolder (at those small point sizes). The (...) (24 years ago, 24-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) FWIW, I don't have a strong objection to the exclamation point. (24 years ago, 24-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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