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    Pre-1995 strong pieces/attachments —Gaurav Thakur
   This could just be something to do with the sets I have, but I noticed that many sets before 1995 seem to have really stiff and strong pieces. They take a lot more strength to join but once connected, they stay on very tightly. Some models I got in (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jan-01, to lugnet.technic)
   
        Re: Pre-1995 strong pieces/attachments —A. Mark Wilburn
     (...) ... Well, since you only mention Technic sets, I can only assume you're referring to the change in friction pins. I don't know exactly when this occurred (since the mid 90's was my LEGO Dark Ages) but I'm sure somebody on here does. Anyway, if (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jan-01, to lugnet.technic)
   
        Re: Pre-1995 strong pieces/attachments —Sean Harrington
     (...) It might be a couple of things: - A newer, slightly more pliable breed of ABS is being used. It is more readily available, holds it's color better, is available in more colors (rather than having to add a lake [dye] to the ABS beads), and (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jan-01, to lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: Pre-1995 strong pieces/attachments —Gaurav Thakur
     (...) Thanks for the information everyone. I just brought this back up since I recently acquired a rather old model (sealed/MISB 8865 Auto Chassis) and noticed that some of the pieces were extremely tough to put together, particulary the (...) (23 years ago, 15-Mar-01, to lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: Pre-1995 strong pieces/attachments —Ross Crawford
      (...) what I've noticed is the black friction pins - many models I've bought already built I've found it extremely hard to remove these, requiring me to push with an axle very hard. A couple I haven't been able to remove at all - I had to drill them (...) (23 years ago, 15-Mar-01, to lugnet.technic)
     
          Re: Pre-1995 strong pieces/attachments —Simon Bennett
       (...) I thought that the whole idea of the introduction of the black pins was to provide this friction. You use a grey pin when you need elements to rotate about them and a black one when rigidity is required. I'm now wondering if I should sort my (...) (23 years ago, 15-Mar-01, to lugnet.technic)
      
           Re: Pre-1995 strong pieces/attachments —Ross Crawford
        (...) I agree, I think that is the difference between black & grey. I don't think there's significant difference in friction between "slotted" and "un-slotted" black pins, but they do (both kinds) allow some rotation, just not as much as the grey (...) (23 years ago, 15-Mar-01, to lugnet.technic)
       
            Re: Pre-1995 strong pieces/attachments —Simon Bennett
        Ah, yes ROSCO, I've been a bit of a fool here... (...) Clearly they would have to or you would have to pull them out and replace when you need to move a beam's position! And if they were tight enough to resist any rotation you would never even be (...) (23 years ago, 15-Mar-01, to lugnet.technic)
      
           Re: Pre-1995 strong pieces/attachments —Juergen Stuber
       (...) They still allow rotation, albeit with some friction. I think the point of the black pegs is that they don't have any slack for movements other than rotation, unlike the grey ones. Jürgen (23 years ago, 15-Mar-01, to lugnet.technic)
      
           Re: Pre-1995 strong pieces/attachments —Jennifer Clark
       (...) Yes! In the old days before the black ones appeared, making and bracing large structures with the grey pins was "interesting" as said structures would be prone to an incredible amount of rattle and cumulative flexibility. The black pins really (...) (23 years ago, 15-Mar-01, to lugnet.technic)
     
          Re: Pre-1995 strong pieces/attachments —Kevin Reid
      (...) I've had one old-style black friction peg get permanently stuck. After trying to use the old ones and getting frustrated trying to modify an existing construction that used them, I sorted all my friction pegs into new and old ones, and put the (...) (23 years ago, 28-Mar-01, to lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: Pre-1995 strong pieces/attachments —David Martineau
     (...) I've been having problems with eight tooth gears and short (<6) axles. it seems that in certain combinations, an 8-tooth with slide all along a six- or four-long axle, IOW, no gripping. and then there are those that i can't put on an axle w/o (...) (23 years ago, 16-Mar-01, to lugnet.technic)
    
         Re: Pre-1995 strong pieces/attachments —Ross Crawford
     (...) Yeah, I noticed that too. I've actually started (gulp!) distorting those loose 8t gears by resting them on a couple of teth & squeezing - you've gotta becareful no to squeeze too much! Also a few of my 8t have cracked (not the ones I (...) (23 years ago, 16-Mar-01, to lugnet.technic)
   
        Re: Friction Pins —Clark Stephens
   The Technica site shows the different friction conncetors, but doesn't mention the change in plastic: (URL) site also has a list of most Technic elements: (URL) (23 years ago, 28-Mar-01, to lugnet.technic)
 

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