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Re: O.S.S. Pastier
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lugnet.space
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Mon, 7 Feb 2005 07:08:17 GMT
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In lugnet.space, Tony Hafner wrote:
> The nose itself doesn't work for me. It doesn't seem to match the rest of the
> ship. It seems like it needs to be longer and have a higher center of gravity.
Tony, first off - thanks for the honest criticism. Its VERY much appreciated.
I knew the ship has lots of problems (mainly due to the way it was built and
designed - it started off as a study for a vehicle bay and kinda grew backwards
without an overall scheme) but I was looking for a new set of eyes to take a
step back and offer some criticism and ideas (and not just criticism..."I don't
like it" is rather useless, but you gave a lot of great ideas)
> You did a great job with the center, but the shape got lost as you added stuff.
> Again, the body is great! But the nose, tail, and engine pods are all weak
> designs.
I think one of the bigger problems with the design is actually that the center
section is a bit too narrow or too tall. The nose, yeah, you're dead on - its
weak. I took a few ideas from this ship and integrated them into the next ship
which I think came out a lot nicer overall while staying in the same family of
design (to make it look like they came from one empire...er, Republic)
> I *really* like how the rear transitions from the wide body to the narrower
> rear, but it narrows a bit too much. And when it flares out again it does it in
> a really bad way. I think it would look great if you took that octagonal
> cross-section bit and moved it forward so that it was projecting rearward out of
> the the area between the lower and upper windows in this shot:
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1086581
> ...then you could attach the center thruster to that.
Hmmm - there is an interesting idea. I had originally thought about putting
another section similiar to the center sections behind the tall/wide section and
then putting the main sublight engine there so it didn't project back out - but
it got too long. I think your idea has some merit.
> The engine pod design has some neat stuff going on with the 4 splines near the
> back end, but I'm not digging the radar dish on the end. And it has too much
> length projecting boringly forward. Break that up a bit! The wheel in the
> middle isn't getting me all hot either.
LOL - I didn't even know about lugnet when I built the ship about a year ago.
And so I didn't even realize that wheels as engines was something "tired". (no
pun intended). I laughed a bit after I did some reading on lugnet; I almost
replaced the design before posting the ship but I figured I might as well just
get some comments on what I did.
I actually like the cleanness of the engine nacelles at their front, but I don't
think they work with this ship in particular. I used a similiar design on the
next ship and I was a lot happier with them. The radar dish is a bit weak; I
can't argue with that one. I've been working on some design studies for the
next ship in the line.
> Stanchions turned sideways like that look *way* too weak to hold something that
> is supposed to stay permanently attached at all, let alone propel the ship. The
> window at the base there, between the attachments, is pretty cool- but you gotta
> widen the attachment points front to back.
Yup - that was obvious from day one. I was almost amazed I got the nacelles to
stay one with those; they look so scarily attached. I'm mocking up a final
battle to recycle the pieces of the Pastier and an alien fighter is going to
aiming for those stanchions for his first shot. Its going to be a beautiful
disaster.
> While the support ships aren't terribly interesting in themselves, the way that
> they fit into the ship is beautiful.
Thanks - I was really happy with the way they got integrated. The whole design
exercise of this ship was the maximization of space and fitting in 2 support
ships was important; I think this solved the problem pretty nicely.
Thanks again for the comments - its what helps us all become better builders.
Jeff Pelletier
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