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David Chen wrote... (...) <snip> (...) Hallelujah! Another convert to the dark side.... (...) David, (and others) thanks for the support over the past year in my efforts with pbForth. It is really fun bringing a little language back to the (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.pbforth)
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Ralph, Many of us out here REALLY DO appreciate the work that has gone into PBForth. I see it as a programming tool similar in spirit to the Emu movement out there. (ie the Atari and C64 emulators) Here you are moving the computing workload out of (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.pbforth)
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(...) The basic problem, Mark, is time. I just don't have the time to properly support a compiler for three platforms. I can barely keep up with the demands pbForth makes of my spare time. I write strict ANSI-C all day long, and pbForth is a bit of (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.pbforth)
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(...) The basic problem, Mark, is time. I just don't have the time to properly support a compiler for three platforms. I can barely keep up with the demands pbForth makes of my spare time. I write strict ANSI-C all day long, and pbForth is a bit of (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.pbforth)
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(...) Forgive me for flogging a (probably) dead horse, but I still fail to see what the problem here is. There is a freely available ANSI C compiler for most major systems today, including Mac, Windows, and most Unices. Further, I know from a great (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.pbforth)
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(...) Mario wrote... (...) Mario, Thanks for following this up. I've heard about tpStudio - it was started at least a year ago. The GUI is neat, but it has one problem which interferes with pbForth - it only runs on Windows. :-( I'm still trying to (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.pbforth)
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(...) compiling (...) to (...) Following Harald's suggestion yesterday I downloaded the (big) TPForth Developer Studio. My very first impression is it would be a very cool tool to use together with pbForth. In the comments field of the downloading (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.pbforth)
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(...) I realized this later, and felt it would be even more confusing to clear it up! Mea Culpa again! (...) Great. I've been struggling with getting info for the FAQ together that makes it easy for all platforms to use pbForth. The goofy line-end (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.pbforth)
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In response to a message by Ben Jackson, Ralph Hempel wrote: <snip> (...) Actually Ralph, I think that was me. :) Although there are a few things *I've* said about pbforth that I don't like, you've given your reasons for the choices you've made to a (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.pbforth)
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Ralph, You might want to check out the TPForth Developer Studio, a cross compiling Forth system for embedded apps. Seems to have a nice IDE (though not in Forth) that should be quickly adaptable to support pbForth. And it's free to non-commercial (...) (25 years ago, 10-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.pbforth)
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Ben Jackson wrote.. (...) And Mark Terrabain replied... (...) I'm reluctant to take pbForth there because the RCX already compiles bytecodes and SAVE-SYSTEM sends them back to the host in Srecord format. Writing and testing a bytecode compiler for (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.pbforth)
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Ben, Thanks for emailing and feeding back some important issues for the rest of the Mindstorms pbForth community. I'll always welcome comments and respond as quickly as possible... Let me address each point, sorry about the quoting, but it's needed (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.pbforth)
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Well, I can rather agree on the uploading, but I don't find it quite as bad as you do. Not as good as NQC, but then NQC still has all the LEGO firmware limitations. As for the rest of your comments, I can only say that I managed to get the (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.pbforth)
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(...) This, IMO, is the biggest problem with pbForth as it exists. Although I have no idea why, Ralph seems reluctant to take pbForth to that point at this time. (And it makes even less sense to me when I think about the idea that most of this (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.pbforth)
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So I've just been crawling over some broken glass, ERR, I mean, uploading pbFORTH text files to the RCX! It's hard to tell the difference! At the least, pbFORTH needs to: 1) accept \n, \r, \n\r or \r\n all as it does a single \r now. 2) have a mode (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.pbforth)
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(...) Neither am I... but the fact is that it's not 20 years ago. My attitude is why use computers as if we are? (btw, I was programming back then... and I must confess that there are a few things I miss about programming in that era [most notably, (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.pbforth)
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How about a Forth based environment running on the PC? It would not be that difficult to move the RCX based compiler to be a cross compiler on the PC. One would be able to run in two modes - "native" through a Forth based terminal (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.pbforth)
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(...) Wow! Great company indeed! (...) This would be a good idea, and one day, pbForth will get there. I used to ship a Tcl based shell with pbForth, but it wasn't working well on all platforms. Here's why pbForth is the way it is, and forgive the (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.pbforth)
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Ralph, This is something that has been bothering me about pbForth ever since you developed it... please do not take this as an attack against you or your efforts. I do, in fact, truly believe that you have contributed significantly to RCX (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.pbforth)
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(...) It's working just fine. If the LCD says "4th", then the firmware is in place, now all you need is a terminal set to 2400,n,8,1 By the way, this kind of question should be on the lugnet.robotics.rcx.pbforth heirarchy... Cheers, Ralph Hempel - (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx.pbforth)
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