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Re: pbFORTH needs better uploading, docs
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lugnet.robotics.rcx.pbforth
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Sun, 9 Jan 2000 00:39:43 GMT
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Well, I can rather agree on the uploading, but I don't find it quite as bad
as you do. Not as good as NQC, but then NQC still has all the LEGO firmware
limitations. As for the rest of your comments, I can only say that I
managed to get the communications set up and a first command executed in
something less than 5 minutes. Perhaps it's due to my background, but after
the firmware load, I just naturally tried 8N1 as the serial protocol at 9600
baud. It took only a few seconds to drop down to 2400 and get a response
from the brick.
The docs are spotty but the I thought the need for RCX_INIT as well as the
other INIT commands was fairly clear. I'm a Forth fan and was very pleased
to see it available for the RCX. To get around the firmware limitations, I
can live with some pain. It's still early in the pbFORTH lifecycle.
Dave
Ben Jackson <ben@ben.com> wrote in message news:Fo0D76.Iwu@lugnet.com...
> So I've just been crawling over some broken glass, ERR, I mean, uploading
> pbFORTH text files to the RCX! It's hard to tell the difference! At the
> least, pbFORTH needs to:
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> 1) accept \n, \r, \n\r or \r\n all as it does a single \r now.
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> 2) have a mode to make it shut up during uploading. the errors are going • to be
> lost anyway, and talking back just forces the terminal program to wait for • long
> enough for the longest possible error to be printed so that the IR from • the RCX
> doesn't clobber the next line.
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> Preferably it should have some kind of fast binary upload.
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> Overall, pbFORTH is remarkably unfriendly:
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> 1) Took me only 5 minutes to install the fw.
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> 2) Took 1 hour to figure out the terminal settings (was working from the
> standard FW settings which have even parity). Finally found it by • searching
> lugnet.
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> 3) Took 5 minutes to get my first command, `hi', to execute.
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> 4) Took 1 hour to get anything else to work, then I realized I needed • RCX_INIT.
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> 5) Took 5 minutes to write a test program.
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> 6) Took 2 hours to write and test scripts to massage the textfiles and • upload
> them to the RCX.
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> I can see why pbFORTH isn't widespread! It took me less time to get NQC
> running than the standard Mindstorms software! How is this easier than • legOS?
>
> --Ben
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| So I've just been crawling over some broken glass, ERR, I mean, uploading pbFORTH text files to the RCX! It's hard to tell the difference! At the least, pbFORTH needs to: 1) accept \n, \r, \n\r or \r\n all as it does a single \r now. 2) have a mode (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.pbforth)
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