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Re: turtle coding kit (Re: How would we (the rest of us) communicate ideas to the MDP?)
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Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:47:38 GMT
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In lugnet.robotics, Tim Rueger wrote:
> > Given the choice, I'd like to see included in NXT
> > a software module for coding dead-reckoning
> > navigation for turtle-type robots, kind of like
> > here:
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> > http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encoder/200108/using_a_pid.html
> >
> > But since the NXT motors have built-in encoders,
> > the code would be much simpler. In fact, the inputs
> > to the routines would be just the diameter of the
> > wheels and their separation.
The question is just how much of this is handled at what level within the NXT
firmware & software. I'd be surprised if LEGO doesn't do *something* with the
built-in encoders - after all, *they* put them there. the question is how much.
The other point is that the Peeves code is really nice - and tuned. tuning
PID isn't all that easy, from what I've seen. In other words, I don't think an
"out of the box" solution will have nearly the abilities of Peeves in this
regard. But it's a great starting place. Hopefully, some of this will be
implimented out of the box, and the rest will be implemented by AFoLs (or non-A
FoL's - there's a lot of very sharp younger folks out there) shortly thereafter.
> > Credit Evan Ryker, a member of my recent FLL team,
> > for the sending me this excellent link. Apologies
> > if it's been seen before here.)
It has, but don't apologize - it's a great link that should be pulled up now
and again, *especially* now that encoders will come in the "base" Mindstorms
set. PID (or simpiler correction schemes) may become a lot more common. Time to
read up...
> if NXT is to be an "iPod for robotics", I think
> this has to be included, and be dead-on reliable.
> Then FLL teams... can get on with the business of
> coding actual robot behaviors instead of endlessly
> tweaking one-shot navigation routines.
I don't know - a lot of good FLL robots don't bother with complicated
dead-reckoning, but use either "point and shoot" techniques, or correct based on
landmarks. Having three encoders opens up some wonderful new options - but some
of the old "KISS" methods shouldn't be ignored either.
--
Brian Davis
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