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| | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM? —Selçuk Göre
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| | | | | (...) Actually I never heard a thing like "SCSI RAM", but I'm not familiar with systems other than PCs, so it can be. In case you mean a SCSI subsystem for HDD, CD-ROM and such devices, You may have it easily, although it might be quite expensive (...) (25 years ago, 9-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM? —John Morgan
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| | | | | | | Perhaps you are talking about a SCSI RAM drive ? this is a SCSI DVD RAM Recorder .....I have never heard of SCSI RAM as in SCSI accessed RAM Memory modules.. but I have seen SCSI DVD RAM drives ....They use thier own version of recording media .... (...) (25 years ago, 25-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM? —Tom Napolitano
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| | | | | | | | (...) of In the olden days before processors could address massive amounts of RAM, you could get cards and external peripherals that contained dynamic volatile RAM on a SCSI interface that would behave like very fast disk. It was used for video (...) (24 years ago, 26-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM? —Matthew Wilkins
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| | | | | | | | Quantum still makes these, and calls them Solid State Disks. They have a bad size/capacity ratio, but phenomenal access times and reads-per-second rates. (...) (24 years ago, 26-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM? —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | (...) Depends what you're doing and how much you really care about performance. My friend Paul and I both have Linux systems that get backed up over the network by our Operations group. They're mostly identical systems, but Paul's is all IDE and (...) (25 years ago, 25-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM? —Matthew Wilkins
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| | | | | | This is a result of the Number One difference between IDE/UDMA and SCSI; IDE 'borrows' number-crunching from the system processor (thus affecting processor load and responsiveness), whereas SCSI has all the number-crunching built into the controller (...) (24 years ago, 26-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM? —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | (...) Yes indeed. Also bad for anything both cpu and disk intensive, like compiling or certain graphics stuff. (24 years ago, 26-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM? —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | (...) Maybe if you're gaming on a crappy machine. I love these "SCSI vs IDE" talks. I own and use systems with both. The _only_ times I notice the differences are when I'm copying gigantic amounts of data from one drive to another. And I mean (...) (24 years ago, 26-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM? —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | (...) Probably true for gamers, and certainly for someone who just wants to browse the web / do office stuff. People just shouldn't say that IDE performs as well as SCSI without some serious clarification. It reminds me of a computer expert friend (...) (24 years ago, 26-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM? —Dan Boger
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| | | | | | | | | (...) well, isn't there a famous quote of Bill Gates that "no one will ever need more than 640K of RAM"? :) Dan (24 years ago, 26-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM? —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) :) Yeah, but I don't think it's fair to blame that one on Bill. The 640 thing was designed into the hardware by IBM. (24 years ago, 26-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM? —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Don't worry - many more important things we can blame on Bill. :) (24 years ago, 26-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM? —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Ok, I'll be a little clearer. For the vast majority of people, and that's including ME, and I own more computers that I use for more purposes than probably 99% of the computer owning population - everything from gaming to web serving to mp3 (...) (24 years ago, 26-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM? —Matthew Wilkins
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| | | | | | | | Reminds me of the first off-the-shelf computer I ever bought; I got the 20Mb hard drive 'cause I couldn't conceive of ever needing 40Mb. *smirk* -Cheese (...) (24 years ago, 27-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM? —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | (...) Specifically, people code or do graphics work -- for personal stuff, even -- and really _can_ benefit from scsi. (24 years ago, 26-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM? —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | | (...) Can benefit some, yes. And I guess at that point those people need to make a cost-benefit analysis as to whether they think it is worth it to shell out the still large amount of money to go SCSI. And if they think it is really worth it, great. (...) (24 years ago, 26-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM? —Matthew Wilkins
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| | | | | | See, the promary reason I'm squarely on the SCSI side of this debate is that I've been a Mac dude for years; I've got piles of old SCSI drives lying around. Everytime I build a new (PC) box, I tend to use an inexpensive SCSI controller, and one or (...) (24 years ago, 27-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM? —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | (...) Kinda funny that a Mac person would still be squarely on the SCSI side of things since it has been a _long_ time since Macs have come standard with anything but IDE drives. :) (...) Yep, and there are inexpensive controllers to be had. I just (...) (24 years ago, 27-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM? —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | (...) I don't think RAM is a SCSI thing, is it? It's mostly for drives and other peripherals. Anyway, having SCSI desktop systems is part of why I like Penguin Computing. I saw an ad in Linux Journal yesterday for ASL (URL), and while I have no idea (...) (25 years ago, 25-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI drives (was Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM?) —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | (...) As most of you guessed, I meant a SCSI hard drive, not RAM. It's just that RAM has been on my mind ;) Thanks for the SCSI v. IDE argument...Although I do graphics stuff, I'll probably end up going with the IDE anyway, unless someone knows (...) (24 years ago, 26-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI drives (was Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM?) —Dan Boger
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| | | | (...) RAM (...) Dell sells them... Are you having a hard time finding it on dell.com? Dan (24 years ago, 26-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI drives (was Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM?) —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | (...) Yes... TIA, --Bram (24 years ago, 27-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI drives (was Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM?) —Dan Boger
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| | | | (...) you're probably looking at the home computers... Look in the small buisness section, under "workstations" - I think all the "Precision" workstations come with scsi... :) Dan (24 years ago, 27-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI drives (was Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM?) —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | (...) but can I get a workstation with all the other stuff I want (DVD, CD-RW, etc..)? --Bram (24 years ago, 27-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI drives (was Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM?) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | (...) Buying from ANY big name company like Dell or Gateway pretty much means you will not get everything you want the way you want it. Which is why I never buy prebuilt computers from places like that for my personal use. I used to build my own, (...) (24 years ago, 28-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI drives (was Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM?) —Jim Hughes
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| | | | (...) If have to agree with Mike you are always much better off if you buy your own parts and put it together. My current system was designed specifically for 2D graphics. PIII 500, 128MB PC100 RAM, Tyan board, 2x AGP video, 56K modem (a real (...) (24 years ago, 28-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI drives (was Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM?) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | (...) I didn't say anything about the machines themselves, I just relayed some experiences we'd had with the company at work. As a company Gateway is much easier to deal with when it comes to getting what you want in a desktop machine, in my (...) (24 years ago, 28-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: Desktops with SCSI drives (was Re: Desktops with SCSI RAM?) —Jim Hughes
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| | | | (...) Yeah, all of my experiances have been with single home machines, I am sure buying a whole department worth of machines is quite a different story. (...) I agree with you there. My first 2 computers were purchased from a local mom and pop (...) (24 years ago, 28-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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