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		Re: Iran: For peace in the region? No! For a piece of the region...
(...) oorr.. perhaps they don't want the US army so close to their border.. hmm? And what exactly is the USA doing in the area? removing a government hostile to us, and replacing it with one friendly. Iran is interesting in doing the same thing. How (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		thumb cuffs, oil & nukes Re: State department report on Saudi Arabia's Human Rights record"
(...) See also: (URL) Arabia is America’s top customer. Since 1990, the U.S. government, through the Pentagon’s arms export program, has arranged for the delivery of more than $39.6 billion in foreign military sales to Saudi Arabia [later] The (...) (22 years ago, 3-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Now, you have to read this ! How stupid can one get?
I've received this email today. It's from member 956 John Robert Patterson, who writes: [Title: lego site] "Why don't you take the French out until they are removed from the axis of evil, leave it in English only? John P " This is the ENTIRE email. (...) (22 years ago, 3-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: My over-simplification of the anti-war movement
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes: <snip> (...) Watching CNN all weekend, except Sunday when I watched PBS, and the other political shows on NBC and CBS... Constant theme now--"We tried the fast approach, and were hopeing that (...) (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		OMGoodness--an American tells it like it is (outside ot-d)
(URL) especially like the 10 reasons to switch--here's just one: " Number 4: America prides itself in being the "leader of the Western World, leader of the free nations." The cornerstone of this being Democracy, something the Vikings of Iceland (...) (22 years ago, 3-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: My Concession (for John mostly)
(...) This doesn't sound to me like a country whose intentions "were that the war was going to continue to the absolute bitter end" and Truman had full knowledge of it. --- begin quote --- July 1945 - Japan's peace messages Still, the messages from (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		serious vulnerability present. all doomed. over.
This was funny, coming from a well respected moderated vulnerability list :) FUT to off-topic.debate, if you want to talk about the contents :) ----- Forwarded message from "Security Experts, Liability Limited" <throwaway@dione.ids.pl> ----- (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: My over-simplification of the anti-war movement
(...) I'm just not familiar enough with Blair to say, beyond I suspect he likes the idea of acting tough. Bush probably has several agendas, though the weight of each is unknown: Inherited hostility: The enemy of my father is my enemy. Though Bush (...) (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: My over-simplification of the anti-war movement
(...) BuzzFlash asks Greg Palast: "What the Heck is Going on With Tony Blair?" (URL) Tony has figured out a way to shoot down a couple of enemies at once. All politics is local, including international relations. Tony Blair is using the war on (...) (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: My over-simplification of the anti-war movement
(...) Bush's justifications for this war changed almost weekly, it seemed. Now, within the terms of diplomacy, this can be understandable to a point as you may find it advantagous to emphasize different aspects to different people, but it seems more (...) (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		My over-simplification of the anti-war movement
I don’t have the chance to respond with the same level of frequency here on OTD as many of the regulars, so this may sound like a hit and run, as I will voice my opinion and probably not respond to rebuttals in a timely fashion. I, however, desired (...) (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Newsbits: Defense Contractors and Water Barons
"Advisors of Influence: Nine Members of the Defense Policy Board Have Ties to Defense Contractors" (URL) How elected officials and registered lobbyists apportion your money. This would be why we must fear the military industrial complex (perhaps our (...) (22 years ago, 29-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: The Frog Apologizes and Shuts Up (at least for now)
(...) Maybe I'm thicker skinned than most. If we're all adults here, and we behave in an adult fashion in these discussions... I dunno. I never got the 'ignore him 'cause he's no good to this group.' I find that many many posts from Scott Arthur are (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
(...) Absolute Wow! for the article, Richard. Just to start a different debate, one of a more political nature, and one where I don't have an opinion (yet ;) )... Will, or could, the "American Empire" fall, much akin to the former Soviet Union? (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Dune, Foundation, and other critics of Empire
Y'know, I think that some people read things like the "Dune" series, or Asimov's "Foundation" series as if they were supposed to closely identify with certain characters and as if that were the point. To me the point of these stories is to make (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
(...) Because others do things in a way that doesn't adhere to the "Too high" standard that the almighty United States sets for the rest of the world... I'll stick with Canada, where new political party(s) can spring up overnight, and long standing (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
(...) Pretty cynical. And un-American, I might add. (...) As in investing, "past performance doesn't guarantee future results";-) (...) Rigged??? Come on. How did those who "rigged" the election know it would be so close in popular vote? The idea is (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Excellent summation of truths and falsehoods about our little war
A lot of that stuff is still hotly debated, Larry. Those are not precisely facts; and it's not as if Buckley doesn't wear his political leanings pinned to his chest. ::cough:: right-wing::cough:: A lot of it was straw man stuff -- easy targets (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
(...) It's unamerican to think that people are self interested? Or to think that nations are made up of good and bad people? Or to think that America is largely like many other countries? (...) Well, they couldn't know _how_ close it would be until (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
(...) Fair enough. (...) Yeah, because I do make a distinction between the deadly force perpetrated by both sides. The Israelis desire to root out and kill terrorists-- the fact that these cowardly scumbags hide in and among the civilian (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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