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		Re: Scariness (was Re: Conflict in the Middle East)
(...) quoteth James (...) Victory can bring us peace? What, at the annihilation of one side or the other? True, that's peace, since you now have no one that disagrees with you. Further, if you think victory doesn't necessitate a complete total party (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Canceled Lego Theme...?
(...) Scott would have to speak for himself on what he meant (and he doesn't always read .debate so may miss this unless notified by email, and even then may choose not to respond at all)... but I did not take what he said as either of those things. (...) (23 years ago, 17-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Scariness (was Re: Conflict in the Middle East)
(...) And since this topic/discussion/issue is so convoluted to begin with, not clarifying what a person meant will really help the situation. True understanding comes with discourse, thru talking about it, with listening to other people's POV. (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Canceled Lego Theme...?
(...) Well, I gotta go with Scott on this one-- I definitely think the Holocaust sets were, and were intended to be, art. Controversial art certainly, but art nonetheless. I get the feeling from Dan that his work was intended to be silly, and not (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Canceled Lego Theme...?
(...) Oh what was that quote from West Wing--Republicans being 'small-minded, xenophobic, anti-choice, gun worshipping...' oh I can't remember--going to have to watch a tape tonite! :) Yes, in your opinion, the holocaust set were not art. In my (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Conflict in the Middle East
(...) People that prize peace do not express themselves in terms of "complete military victory." And you think I make scarey comments? I think Israel already has complete superiority by way of arms. Why don't they just march on in and commit (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Conflict in the Middle East
(...) Can you substantiate this using an independent source? My understanding is that schools in places like Jenin are mostly run by UNRWA, are you saying that they operate in the manner you describe? From the UNRWA: ==+== The Palestine refugee (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Conflict in the Middle East
(...) The Palestinian people have been taught, almost since birth, to hate Israel and Jews. You can’t find a map in a Palestinian school that shows the nation of Israel. The hatred is deep and intense … and no negotiations or negotiated peace (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Greed?
(...) Sorry Richard, English is not my mother tongue. So why did I use the word greed here? As a matter of fact I have not used that word since ever - I had to look into my dictionary to cheack the meaning of "greed". I only have used this word, (...) (23 years ago, 16-Apr-02, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Greed?
(...) Yes, perhaps it is. Ben is E2L(1), please keep that in mind, and sometimes that causes misunderstanding. Reading over your words and his, I don't find that much disagreement, believe it or not. (I'm in the camp that's glad any time Lego, in (...) (23 years ago, 16-Apr-02, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Greed?
(...) Nah, I could easily see myself buying one for the sheer desire to actually get my hands on something so phenominal I never had a chance to acquire. I think desire is a better word. (...) I've never seen anyone who hordes yelloe castle parts, (...) (23 years ago, 16-Apr-02, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: The value of reading (was: If you could leave any book on Kjeld's nightstand...)
(...) Hmmm...I think these are all very closely related ideas. Yes, debate has a specific meaning -- but classically, formal arguments are comprised of appeals to ethos, pathos, and logos. To use non-greek terms, a formal argument appeals to one's (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: The value of reading (was: If you could leave any book on Kjeld's nightstand...)
(...) We were. That's all. I'm not categorizing your responses and writing papers. It's just a hobby of mine to explore what people think about education. I used the phrase "hobby-research" a single time in a throwaway comment. Such a comment does (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Conflict in the Middle East
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) In our culture, we are mostly brought up to believe that life is precious and that suicide isn't a viable option. We are shocked and dismayed when people kill (...) (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: The value of reading (was: If you could leave any book on Kjeld's nightstand...)
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Allan Bedford writes: <snip> I'm starting to realise something... Maybe should have realised it sooner. Perhaps we need a disclaimer from you. (or you from us) If I get the sense of what I snipped away, what you do when (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Debate
(...) The "need" for OT.Debate has often been discussed, and good points have been raised both pro and con. I suppose the bottom line is that OT squabbles will arise in most of the LUGNET discussion groups as a matter of course, so it's helpful to (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: The value of reading (was: If you could leave any book on Kjeld's nightstand...)
(...) The charter of the group reads as follows: "lugnet.off-topic.debate– Off-topic (non-LEGO®) discussions: debates, controversies, etc." Although it's called .debate, I had always thought that there was room for open personal discussions within (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Conflict in the Middle East
(...) I'd have to know what were the stated war aims. IMO, all statements on that issue were too vague to be comprehensible. :-/ And frankly, this conflict still does not fit my definition of "war". Maybe "intervention" is more like it. And there is (...) (23 years ago, 5-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: The value of reading (was: If you could leave any book on Kjeld's nightstand...)
(...) Sorry, I guess I didn't realize that the phrase wasn't meant to be taken at face value. From the way I read it here, you were gathering commentary and opinions in some loose research project. The same way that 'hobby farming' actually (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: The value of reading (was: If you could leave any book on Kjeld's nightstand...)
(...) I think the point I was trying to make to Christopher was that I didn't realize the debate had turned into a research project. I just thought we were talking about the importance of reading. As it was, I wasn't exactly sure what he was driving (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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