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		Re: codifying marriage on biblical principles
(...) I'm a little lost on the pronouns here--does "they" refer to the people getting married and/or the people performing/solemnizing those marriages? My understanding is that the DOMA frees states from the obligation to recognize same-sex (...) (21 years ago, 9-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: codifying marriage on biblical principles
(...) Here is his justification: (URL) I find this so disingenuous! "Pursuant to my sworn duty to uphold the California Constitution, including specifically its equal protection clause..." What about the rest of the CA Constitution? Upholding all of (...) (21 years ago, 10-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: codifying marriage on biblical principles
(...) Oh. Yeah, I guess it's pretty clear: Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California. Well, in that case, I applaud Mayor Newsom for defying a bogus, descriminatory law! (...) Hmm. "Civil Right to marry" might have (...) (21 years ago, 10-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: codifying marriage on biblical principles
(...) I don't know which leaders you are talking about and even if I did I wouldn't have any idea as to their motivations (unless they so indicated). I come from a traditional that believes that each and every person has direct access to God without (...) (21 years ago, 10-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Terrorists hate freedom (was Re: codifying marriage on biblical principles)
(...) "Loving Freedom" doesn't mean "Loving Freedom for me". Denying others' rights to win your own hardly qualifies someone as a "freedom lover"-- more like a disgusting hypocrite. (...) Oppression never justifies the murder of innocents. What is (...) (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: codifying marriage on biblical principles
(...) What courage? Newsom hasn't even been arrested for disobeying the law! I think I might come to California and steal your LEGO Pirate collection and expect equal treatment Newsom is getting under the law-- namely the law looking the other way. (...) (21 years ago, 10-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: codifying marriage on biblical principles
(...) I do. But you now say "I wouldn't have any idea as to their motivations" (...) It is you who said they were politically motivated, and now say "I wouldn't have any idea as to their motivations"! (...) I'm just not clear on what the threat was. (...) (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Terrorists hate freedom
You know, I had kinda hoped that someone other than John might have spoken up in defence here. Perhaps that they have not is a very good sign. This post is longish, and I do apologise. I don't normally wax quite so lyrical, but it is a deep and (...) (21 years ago, 13-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: George Bush has legitimised terrorism
(...) Well, I guess I'd say that I believe only in those things for which there is empirical evidence or which can, in principle, be proven. As far as a devout scientist is concerned, I say go right ahead! I would, however, offer that IMO the devout (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Yet another push for thoughtful legislation from Tennessee
(...) Yes, they do. As long as the forsake any governmental affiliation is strictly adhered to. That's tough to do today though. (...) But LUGNET, being completely privately funded, ought to (under the free association clause) be completely within (...) (21 years ago, 19-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Marriage (was: Re: Yet another push for thoughtful legislation from Tennessee)
(...) Well, the last time I looked, they're pretty different in most cases. But my point is that the difference between men and women is not central to marriage. Therefore the difference between men and women cannot be used as a gatekeeper criterion (...) (21 years ago, 19-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: March Madness?
(...) I don't think that the mere mention of a God connotates an invocation of that God. The pledge is directed towards the flag and to our nation-- "under God" is a description of that nation. All the phrase really means is that the majority of the (...) (21 years ago, 25-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: March Madness?
(...) This may be an "agree to disagree" point. It's well established that the phrase was injected into the pledge to distinguish our "Christian" nation from the godless atheists of the communist USSR, and it's also well established that Eisenhower (...) (21 years ago, 26-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: From Reason: "It's all bad news - Chaos in liberated Iraq"
(...) Despite the noise coming from Washington, and the right's "islamo-fascist" paranoia, Iraq remains < (URL) secular>. That said, I agree that Bush is radicalizing moderate opinion… and not just in Iraq! Only one country remains placid: his own. (...) (21 years ago, 6-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: From Reason: "It's all bad news - Chaos in occupied Iraq"
(...) lol. By "dealings", I assume you mean give them WMD and help oppress their populations? BTW: Don't forget, SH was the "lesser of two evils" during the 1991 uprising. (...) Are you saying all post 1945 US military actions have been illegal? (...) (21 years ago, 7-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: From Richard: "It's all bad news - Chaos is my fault"
(...) I see in this post this suggestion advanced again. I think I have seen it before. It goes well with this one that John prepared earlier: (...) I mentioned that I saw a structure and underlying logic in some of Scott's posts, and felt bad for (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: From Richard: "It's all bad news - Chaos is my fault"
(...) So you think that the oil wealth is distributed equally per capita? That's remarkably Socialist of you, John, but it's not the reality. The state (states, really, seven of 'em) where wealth distribution on public projects is greatest is the (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
(...) They're out there if you want them. I'm sure they've been discussed to death here before, but I don't have time right now to track that down. So once again it's google to the rescue. Here's a short list from one of the sites. Reasons for going (...) (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm Glad Bush is Standing by Rumsfeld
(...) I have seen the writing on the wall for Bush ever since he dragged us into an unjustified war. His administration has repeatedly shown signs that they have completely mis-read the situation in Iraq from the beginning, and it was sadly doomed (...) (20 years ago, 13-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: From Reason: "It's all bad news - Chaos in occupied Iraq"
(...) A number? No. An example of their cruel, savage barbarism? Yes. War is different. Basically in war, you are saying to your enemy, "Surrender to us, or we probably will kill you." Even at any time in war, surrender is an option and the killing (...) (20 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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