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Re: Essay on Emerson vs. Thoreau; civil disobedience
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Eaton writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > We differ strongly. I suspect this is moral relativism. I reject that... I
> > go even farther than rejection. I think there are moral absolutes and no
> > government, even with the majority of voters saying it's OK, can violate
> > them and still be a moral government.
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> Ah-- then we shall certainly have differences. My own moral theory arrives
> at the conclusion that there are no absolutes in morality.
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> > I haven't presented a satisfactory demonstration of why these absolutes
> > exist or what they are, but it's at the crux of my disagreement with the
> > notion that the unfettered will of the majority is an OK way to make rights
> > affecting decisions. It's not.
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> And I'd argue that it CAN be.
Go ahead and do so...
> Not necessarily that it's EVER actually BEEN
> ok, but that the possibility exists. And just to clarify further, by my
> morality, it can be ok for one person to enslave another, and it's also
> still perfectly ok if that other believes that his/her slavery is immoral.
I am having a lot of trouble with this notion. It smacks of might makes right.
<snip>
> (And didn't you already lose this debate by indirectly bringing the magic
> word into the discussion? :)
Yes, it so much more convenient to already have "lost", don't you think?
++Lar
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