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| | | (...) I don't really, so apologies for the brevity of this reply. (...) As Jen Clarke pointed out, there is a theory and there is the phenomenon. The theory could be improved, refined, replaced or debunked, the phenomenon remains real (cf gravity). (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism —Jon Kozan
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| | | | Evolution is not observable. And to state it again - I'm not attempting to convince you of Creationism here - just that evolution is impossible. You've tried to loop creationism and spirituality back into things - sorry if it appears that that is (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism —Dave Low
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| | | | | (...) See Larry's post here: (URL) source you quote on abiogenesis doesn't discuss evolution as a force in living things, presumably since it is irrefutable, and eminently observable. He focuses on the least observable, most speculative and most (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) Oh, but that's just MY view of the observations and how they fit together. The serious creationist will easily dismiss the evidence of bacterial evolution by saying "God has changed the bugs in our lifetime to teach us the folly of thinking (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism —Jon Kozan
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| | | | | | Perhaps it would be helpful to break apart the different things that are ascribed to the term "evolution." Common usage of the word "evolution" is the idea that living things in our world have come into being through unguided naturalistic processes (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) This is not true, there are creationists that dispute it. SRC for example. (...) I don't think these mechanisms are at all similar, really. (although since the argument is made that we are actually colonies of cooperating organisms who happen (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism —Jon Kozan
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| | | | | | | (...) Where? (23 years ago, 21-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism —Jon Kozan
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| | | | | | | (...) My new thread does not have Darwinism in it's title - It is: Evolution - Impossible! I acknowledge that it's a bit general in the use of "Evolution" -Jon (23 years ago, 21-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism —Jon Kozan
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| | | | | | | (...) Cosmology is the Big Bang theory which is the starting point of evolution. The abiogenesis is evolution. Certainly we can differ on terms, and probably do, but if it helps I'll refer to abiogenesis instead of 'evolution'. -Jon (23 years ago, 21-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) I missed this point the first time. I dispute that this extraordinarily broad definition is "common usage". Common usage covers only points 3 and 4, below. It would be helpful if creationists were clear about what they feel is in dispute. (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism —Jon Kozan
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| | | | | | | | (...) Now, I'm a bit confused - you've replied to my post without quoting any of my new material - what are you referring to ?? Is this "question" you're referring to in the above paragraph the question of abiogenesis (my 2.) or what??? (...) (23 years ago, 22-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) The deeper quotes that I left (...) your 2. ++Lar (23 years ago, 22-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism —Jon Kozan
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| | | | | | | | (...) Ok -Jon (23 years ago, 22-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism —Jon Kozan
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| | | | | | (...) Yes - I haven't looked too far, but can't find anyone who doesn't. (...) Actually I think that the fossile record shows no support for evolution at all and I rather surprised that you would hang your hat on such a discredited bit of evidence. (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Since it's pretty commonly accepted by most real scientists (not just the mass media, disdain for which I happen to share with you, but I digress), I'll let *you* discredit that fossils represent the remains of animals, that there are various (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism —Jon Kozan
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| | | | | | (...) all (...) evidence. (...) Done - Jon (...) (23 years ago, 22-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) Man's best friend. (23 years ago, 20-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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