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Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Sun, 21 Jan 2001 14:39:25 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jon Kozan writes:
> > Perhaps it would be helpful to break apart the different things that are
> > ascribed to the term "evolution."
> >
> > Common usage of the word "evolution" is the idea that living things in our
> > world have come into being through unguided naturalistic processes
> > starting from a primeval mass of subatomic particles and radiation, over
> > approximately 20 billion years.
> >
> > A more precise understanding of the above statement divides the "atoms to
> > people" transition into four realms:
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> > 1.Cosmology is the branch of astronomy which deals with the origin and
> > formation of the general structure of the universe.
> > 2.Abiogenesis refers to first life - the production of living organisms
> > from inanimate matter.
> > 3.Micro-evolution or speciation refers to populational and species
> > change
> > through time. There are many published examples of speciation, if by the
> > development of a new "species" we mean the development of a new population
> > of
> > individuals which will not breed with the original population to produce
> > fertile offspring. Micro-evolution is a scientific fact which no one,
> > including creationists, dispute.
> >
> > 4.Macro-evolution or general evolution refers the progression to more
> > complex forms of life. The mechanisms of macro-evolution, including whether
> > or
> > not micro-evolution over a long enough time leads to macro-evolution, can be
> > regarded as a "research topic".
> >
> > Lerry has focused on 3. My new thread is focused on 2. (and to a lesser
> > degree 1.)
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> > I hope this helps to focus the debate such that tangents can be avoided.
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> I think this is a useful division. BUT, I don't think that the "theory of
> evolution" has anything whatever to say about points 1 and 2. Certainly
> cosmology is rather far afield from speciation without any doubt.
Cosmology is the Big Bang theory which is the starting point of evolution.
The abiogenesis is evolution. Certainly we can differ on terms, and probably
do, but if it helps I'll refer to abiogenesis instead of 'evolution'.
-Jon
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| (...) I missed this point the first time. I dispute that this extraordinarily broad definition is "common usage". Common usage covers only points 3 and 4, below. It would be helpful if creationists were clear about what they feel is in dispute. (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) This is not true, there are creationists that dispute it. SRC for example. (...) I don't think these mechanisms are at all similar, really. (although since the argument is made that we are actually colonies of cooperating organisms who happen (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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