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Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism
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Date: 
Sun, 21 Jan 2001 14:34:04 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jon Kozan writes:
Perhaps it would be helpful to break apart the different things that are
ascribed to the term "evolution."

Common usage of the word "evolution" is the idea that living things in our
world have come into being through unguided naturalistic processes
starting from a primeval mass of subatomic particles and radiation, over
approximately 20 billion years.

A more precise understanding of the above statement divides the "atoms to
people" transition into four realms:

   1.Cosmology is the branch of astronomy which deals with the origin and
formation of the general structure of the universe.
   2.Abiogenesis refers to first life - the production of living organisms
from inanimate matter.
   3.Micro-evolution or speciation refers to populational and species
change
through time. There are many published examples of speciation, if by the
development of a new "species" we mean the development of a new population
of
individuals which will not breed with the original population to produce
fertile offspring. Micro-evolution is a scientific fact which no one,
including creationists, dispute.

   4.Macro-evolution or general evolution refers the progression to more
complex forms of life. The mechanisms of macro-evolution, including whether
or
not micro-evolution over a long enough time leads to macro-evolution, can be
regarded as a "research topic".

Larry has focused on 3.
My new thread is focused on 2. (and to a lesser degree 1.)

In which case it shouldn't have Darwinism in its title... it has nothing to
do with speciation.

My new thread does not have Darwinism in it's title -
It is: Evolution - Impossible!
I acknowledge that it's a bit general in the use of "Evolution"

-Jon



Message is in Reply To:
  Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism
 
(...) This is not true, there are creationists that dispute it. SRC for example. (...) I don't think these mechanisms are at all similar, really. (although since the argument is made that we are actually colonies of cooperating organisms who happen (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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