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Re: Is space property?
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:39:42 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Goeb writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
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> > Short answer NO.
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> But, why not?
In my mind the ownership of objects, concepts, or land is not as clear cut
as most people think it is. It is realy subject to their expectation that
things will be where they see them now. (Hillside Home slides into sea etc)
I myself have a hard time beliving in ownership of any kind beond "I have
it right now in my hands".
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> > Long answer:
> > However Space-Time can be a form of limited property, and *must* be so!!!
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> I don't buy the must part. I think what you mean is "ought to," right?
Must is in the context of "If you want to avoid planets and other junk"
<grin>
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> > This is due to the reality of SPACE. When people think of space they are
> > woofully ignorant as to what they are refering to. A 5m^3 chunk of space
> > 200 miles above earth for example projects an occuping space(time) that
> > loops around the Sun each year and is several million miles long.
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> It simply depends on your inertial frame of reference. Why stop there? That
> same space is also spinning about the galactic core and rocketing away from the
> center of the universe. But none of that matters if you're just looking at it
> from Earth.
On earth yes Planet bound 2(+small z)D space is easy as the relationship of
boston to new york stays the same all year round(+/- Plate drift). see down...
> > Not what you expected at all.
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> Well, at least it's not exactly what I meant. I was talking more specifically
> about land, but used space to keep the idea more generic. On the other hand, I
> suppose that "air space" needs to be addressed if the concept of owning land is
> valid. How far up does your ownership extend? Do you sometimes own Alpha
> centauri too?
Yes actually we could OWN a space that is where is/will-be. Owning the
same spot at the same time is resolved by the Might Makes Right rule
(Jupiter Vs Mars this week only) not any agreement or system we assign.
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> In the generic sense, of course, you're right that those are practical
> considerations involved in the exodus into space. What do the owners of
> satelites do now? Does anyone coordinate orbit paths?
Yeah, and I bet they sweat buckets. Note: As I post MIR is not responding
to Command Control and may be terminal.
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> > So some one has to OWN (license, reserve
> > whatever) that tube of space-time to avoid crashing into others.
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> Well, they don't have to. I don't own, license, or reserve (in any even
> vaguely formal sense) the area on the highway that I take up while I drive.
> But I'm responsible for making sure that my property doesn't endanger anyone
> else's.
Exactly. It's the same here only the Size of what you reserve in 3 space
has to be mesured out in 4 space, but down here it is in slow motion.
The Highway may occupy Oak and Main after 1947 and must get out
of the way before 2123 and the new Octofealium goes up.
Not to hard to manage, but start zipping around at 100's Km/secs and it
gets much more difficult to be off the cuff and open about it.
> > Just wandering in and saying this place is cool I'm hanging for a few
> > months may result in a unexpected intercept later on. Very un-cool [/:-)
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> Yes, possibly very uncool. But illegal or immoral? When and when not?
Nothing illegal or immoral about removing your self from the game. We
rarely jail dead folk even if they are smeared out over 1000's of Km's.
[/:-)
Best
DaveG
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