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| | | (...) He has done just that. He made a way for everyone to enter, some don't want it. I have to object to your statement "regardless of sin", though. You can't justify that statement. If he is holy, he can't do that. Also, for sake of argument, what (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | (...) I think what is generally meant when your God is called petty and vengeful is a reference to the popular assertion that regardless of how good we act, if we fail to suck up to him, we go to hell. That's probably what Tom means. It's certainly (...) (24 years ago, 3-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Bill Farkas
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| | | | (...) Understood. The point is not how good someone is, we are expected to be good, no brownie points there. Being good is breaking even. The problem is in the deficits we allow. How do we make up for our mistakes? Apologize and correct it in the (...) (24 years ago, 3-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | (...) we (...) Why? Seriously. Is the creation of an individual human life a reasonable analogy? Do you advocate parents having the same rights over their children that you are accepting of your God having over us? (...) I think that creating life (...) (24 years ago, 4-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Bill Farkas
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| | | | | | (...) All of the following answers are predicated upon a belief that the Bible is true and these answers solely represent It's content. This is not an attempt to "assimilate" anyone. It is merely answers to question posed. (...) Because it's His (...) (24 years ago, 4-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) It sounds like a sucky deal to me. (...) I see. So the right to drop your kids in vats of acid only comes with lots of love. (One might say so much love that we can't really experience it, right?) (...) amusement. (...) But wasn't Satan (...) (24 years ago, 4-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Bill Farkas
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| | | | | | (...) Fair enough. (...) Dealt with that below. Not equivalent. (...) God didn't create Satan. He created Lucifer, who was His Archangel. Lucifer coveted God's position and wanted to be like God and receive man's worship. A third of God's angels (...) (24 years ago, 5-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | (...) Knowing that it would happen, but creating Lucifer anyways, he in effect DID cause it. Just as he has caused all sin in history, as he created everyone knowing exactly what would happen. (...) Sure he did - he created us, knowing we would (...) (24 years ago, 5-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —David Eaton
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| | | | | | | (...) That's the long disputed point-- and to that end, how about the question "If God can do anything, can he make a problem so difficult that HE can't solve it?" Basically, the Christian idea of free will says to me that God allowed for the (...) (24 years ago, 5-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Bill Farkas
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| | | | | | (...) Knowing is not the same as causing. Parents teach their children to walk knowing that they will fall during the process. Does that mean that they pushed them? Did they cause them to fall? No, of course not. All of Gid's attributes must (...) (24 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Tom Stangl
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| | | | (...) So what you are saying is the OT is wrong, the NT is right? The ORIGINAL thoughts and ideas written (by PEOPLE, remember) were too icky, so they watered them down in the NT, and you choose to believe the adulterated ideas? <squirm, squirm> (...) (24 years ago, 4-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Bill Farkas
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| | | | (...) Not at all. The OT served it's purpose - according to Galations it's purpose was to lead us to Christ. The Law served as a vehicle to make manifest the condition of man. Jeremiah 31:31-34 opens the door for the NT which will supersede the Old. (...) (24 years ago, 5-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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