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Re: Spot Pole - Is Gore Just a Bad Loser?
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Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:25:23 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > Spot Pole - Is Gore Just a Bad Loser?
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> I've heard Gore called a tree before, but never a pole.
> Or maybe you mean Pole as in Polish? I see a few of
> those right now! At least, I think they're Polish.
> Could be Hungarians.
Hey, it passed the spell checker - so it must be right :-\
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> > I can't decide. To a certain extend, I can see his point. But if I were
> > cynical, I would say that he is just going to go on wanting re-counts until
> > he gets the results he wants.
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> Nah--there's a moment when even his allies will desert
> him. The thing nobody seems to catch on to is that the
> *first* recount isn't technically done yet. Doesn't a
> full recount, by hand, have to be done according to the
> law of Florida? (Even if law doesn't say 'by hand,' I'm
> not sure what other method of verification would be more
> reliable or definitive.)
Yes. But is the point of doing it by hand is to find the votes not puched
out right. I suppose one could argue they are spoiled.
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> > Perhaps there really are constitutional issues at stake here? Even if there
> > are, did he not accept the current system when he entered "the race". Should
> > he just accept the result now, and then work to clarify the system for the
> > next time?
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> IMHO, no reason he has to accept a result that isn't confirmed.
> Most of the uproar has been over potential snarls, when the
> current avenues haven't been exhausted.
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> The whole question of unfair voting practices is another ball
> of wax--the supposedly 'confusing' ballot in Palm Springs is
> a non-issue for me. The community could see sample ballots,
> leaders said nothing, and besides, the ballot wasn't confusing
> to me when I saw it--I mean, come on, the human brain *can*
> handle a certain degree of compositional complexity. For
> his own sake, Gore should stay far away from Jesse Jackson
> and the Vote Lawsuit Crew.
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> When I got my absentee ballot there was no second chance--if I did so
> much as erase an errant letter in my name, it would be invalidated.
> I knew that, it was plainly written on the instruction sheet.
> As far as the hole-punch ballots, those can go either way--
> hand-counting catches spots where the machine has simply failed
> to register. That's what recounts are for.
Fair enough. Is there not also rumours of voters being denied the chance to
vote, or is that unfounded?
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> As for the Bush team trying to get a Federal judge to stop the
> recount, I think they know it's futile (and have planned for
> that eventuality). I do think it makes them look very, very
> bad, however--I'd need to see the text of the Florida statute,
> but they're trying to obstruct (or end-run) FL state law from
> where I see it. If the judge upholds the petition, expect a
> long, long, long legal battle, which everyone's going to lose.
>
> Where did it say that on Election night we must know who our
> next President is to be?
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> > If he does loose in the end, will history view him as a bad loser, rather
> > than a former VP? Will he be able to run again? Will HC let him?
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> I don't think history will care about the person, only the
> election. On the other hand, there's a morbid sense of
> fascination in my mind at the prospect of having Strom Thurmond
> serve as Interim President--only 52 years after he lost his
> own Super Tuesday! I already have a slogan: "Strom Thurmond:
> A Nineteenth-Century Man for Twenty-First Century America!"
> C'mon, how bad could it be? Just think "Admiral Stockdale,"
> sit back, and enjoy.
Yes, Thurmond is raising a few eybrows over here too.
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> best
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> Lindsay (who's happy with the results of his MI votes, from
> faraway London)
Really? How are you finding the coverage in the UK?
Scott A
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| (...) I've heard Gore called a tree before, but never a pole. Or maybe you mean Pole as in Polish? I see a few of those right now! At least, I think they're Polish. Could be Hungarians. (...) Nah--there's a moment when even his allies will desert (...) (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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