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(...) Oh, brother. I always marvel at the cleverness of that answer. (...) Since you're arbitrarily deciding what does and doesn't qualify as sentient, I'd say you're being inconsistent. You've demonstrated that you don't care to confront this in (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry about this first bit, but I want to get it squared away. Through the comment: (...) It sounds like you think I'm being less than congenial. Through the comments: (...) It seems to me that you're not being fully congenial. But in other (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps not... think about all that's required to maintain, for instance, Beef production. You need lots and lots of land, you need to keep your cattle healthy, feed them, move them about, etc. If someone were to come up with a relatively (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, I REALLY doubt that. Vat-grown meat could be tailored with a specific fat content, and be basically ready to eat right out of the vat - the cutting into "steaks" could be roboticized (or the meat could be grown in "steak" shaped chunks, or (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) all (...) it (...) chunks, (...) thicknesses to (...) farmers (...) You're right Tom, we sure would. I'm from Iowa, and 18. Although my family doesn't raise cattle, it IS one of the main sources of income for this entire state. Three things: (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I understand your points about the agricultural economy, and I understand about the aesthetic differences, but I think you have the disease equation bass-ackwards. In a lab, the meat could be kept 99.999% disease-free. Beef that's released (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Not to mention the economies would just shift to compensate - nothing says the beef would all be grown in labs out of the control of farmers. Smarter farmers would create collectives and invest in the technology, with each farmer getting a share. (...) (24 years ago, 23-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It doesn't sound like you're a middleman from your description. (...) So? Which members of society is it that you imagine to owe you a living? You, and all people, can change with the times or be left behind. We have VMS admins at work who are (...) (24 years ago, 23-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I admit that I was a little more sharp-tongued than the situation justified, and if so I certainly apologize. I was reacting to "Bzzzt. Wrong answer" more than anything else, which has always struck me as an attempt to belittle the opposing (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This debate has been churning along (very) nicely (and quite civilly, as these go, I think the same old players are getting better at debating nicely) without too much input from me since I ducked and ran (:-) but one nugget here got me to thinking. (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) C'mon Lar--don't cloud the issue with a call for facts! Actually, I'll have to recheck my info. Maybe it *was* earthworms, and they're not half as crunchy as insects. To digress re: Ant Weight, here are a few tidbits I came across: from (URL) (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Cool, thanks. (...) My primary criterion is pain. There is a bunch of more aesthetic than logical stuff coloring what I think is OK to eat, but pain is the big thing. And do you mean that the animal lucked into mobility or thought? Either way, (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What friends? ;-) (...) anything (...) I don't mind if you eat meat from vats. As I said, I might even do so a bit to try it out. I find myself very rarely wanting sausage or bacon. (...) Yup. (...) Let the technology and the market worry (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not sure why I thought that--it seemed likely that you'd object on some grounds, but given what you said later in the post, I suppose it *is* a consistent assertion. (...) As a matter of fact, I'm floating disembodied in a tank and (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow, cool. A real brain? I didn't think anyone was relying on flesh bits anymore. I'm an electronic simulation loaded on 300 computers all heading away from earth at .96C. Sorry for the delay getting back to you. Chris (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Yeah, I'm old fashioned that way. (...) What are you talking about? I got your reply before I even posted! Dave! (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Here's an odd twist to think about: most (all?) domesticated animals, especially farm animals, are sufficiently different from their wild bretheren that they can be considered separate species. Also, if we can raise meat in a vat, we can (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Is that really true? Cows can breed with bison, so it's hard to imagine that they can't breed with their forebears. (Don't they come from European water buffalos or something?) I also recal a story from somewhere, maybe a class, where some (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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