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(...) You've summed it up very nicely, except that you state it as an absolute rather than a condition for me to even consider the question. (...) Here's a sword - are you willing to personally execute him yourself? No, it's not a facetious (...) (19 years ago, 4-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I see that you are rebutting my "equivocation" with a straw man. Nowhere do I claim that the murderer is blameless, but I don't equate his "blamefulness" (sorry about that malapropism) with some "right" to execute him. And the person (or (...) (19 years ago, 4-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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--SNIP-- (...) Preserving the sanctity of life by State-sanctioned killing. Interesting argument there. Tim (19 years ago, 4-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I reject your equivocation. In one case, the victim is an innocent, and in the other the "victim" is a coldblooded murderer. Being rendered "harmless" does in no way make a person "blameless". (...) No system is perfect. To criticize otherwise (...) (19 years ago, 4-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Since I dragged Bruce back into this, I'll field the question for him (though he's welcome to refute or add to it, of course!) (...) Of course not! The execution of a person who has been rendered harmless is indistinguishable from coldblooded (...) (19 years ago, 4-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So let me get this straight-- is it conditional for me to prove that everyone ever executed actually committed their crimes and then you’ll agree to the death penalty? What about the fate of a man who kills 5 women and children during a (...) (19 years ago, 4-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Dang, my name is still being dragged into this nine months later - I've heard of a pregnant pause..... -->Bruce<-- (19 years ago, 3-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And so was (URL) this guy,> so the point is served once more. Dave! (19 years ago, 3-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) In fact, this has only "always" been the case since Dubya created the term "enemy combatant" out of the firmament. It didn't exist prior to his declaration of permanent war on terror, at least not as a supra-legal designator for "people whom (...) (19 years ago, 3-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Enemy combatants are treated differently than US citizens. This has always been the case. (...) Well, if you had Christian leaders invecting from the pulpit to incarcerate Muslims, I might be inclined to agree (which is the analogy to Mullahs (...) (19 years ago, 2-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But that's the whole problem. The only evidence we have that these detainees are terrorists is, basically, Dubya's assertion that they're terrorists. They're denied all due process and access to lawyers, and in many cases they've been held for (...) (19 years ago, 2-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I was speaking specifically about the people who are incarcerated. The purpose of their detention is what they've done, not what they believe (although it is the motivation behind what they did). So my point was that we do not simply detain (...) (19 years ago, 2-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So why do you (URL) call them "islamo-fascists">, and not "alleged terrorists"???? ROSCO (19 years ago, 2-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) First of all, you gotta think globally for a minute. Believe it or not, there's a whole world out there beyond our borders, and our actions have consequences that can be felt throughout. But now that you mention OUR economy, to what indicators (...) (19 years ago, 2-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Economic destruction? All I've seen is 2 of the most horrific economic disasters strike during Bush's tenure (9-11 and Katrina, neither of which can be attributed to the Bush Administration), and yet our economy still grows. To what economic (...) (19 years ago, 2-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes! Yes! A thousand times yes! Mostly economic and social destuction, but in Iraq physical destruction as well! Recently South Korean farmers publicly commited suicide as an act of protest against flooding their countries markets with cheap (...) (19 years ago, 1-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So, you are saying that our current government has brought devastation to our country and the world, is that correct? (...) That well may be true, but it is not necessarily my objective to move you on any particular position, but at least to (...) (19 years ago, 1-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I can only speak on my own experience as to why I find it an interesting subject. My parents lived in Holland during the Nazi occupation and so have told me stories (especially my father as my mother was very young at the time) about things (...) (19 years ago, 30-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The analogy is tired, but it is a good example of a modern western leader elected in a democratic process with promises to make the average citizen's life better who ended up bringing devastation to his country and the world. We obviously have (...) (19 years ago, 30-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(Posting to both .mecha and .debate now, since the post contains the L-word, but it's actually more of a .debate topic... follow-up as you see fit) Another thing I wanted to comment on in my previous reply, but forgot to include because I was busy (...) (19 years ago, 30-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.build.mecha, FTX)
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