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Re: Schpiffkraft Hakenkreuz
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:05:56 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Nick Kappatos wrote:
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Actually, “Freedom of speech is there” because it was amended to the US
Constitution in the Bill of Rights. It’s not there specifically to protect
what someone may find offensive.
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On the contrary--the only speech that requires protection is that which
society-at-large finds suitable for censorship.
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I don’t believe that speech was included at the time of the BoR for
society-at-large censorship, but rather protection from vengeful governing
bodies like royalty or Congress. As I stated earlier, there were no neo-nazis in
the late 18th century.
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Besides, not all speech is protected. Look up “slander” some time.
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Unless you’re equating “offensive” artistic expression with slander, this
point is irrelevant. Likewise, arguments about “yelling fire in a theater”
are irrelevant until the display of artistic creations can be shown to have a
similiarly immediate, urgent, and dangerous effect.
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Here’s the Free Speech Question of the Day: If all speech is free, can
members of NAMBLA organize in front of a day care center? Should they? Even
you must draw the line somewhere.
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If they are a non-illegal organization and they meet on public property while
creating no disturbance, on what basis would you restrict their right to
assemble peaceably?
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Let me paint a clearer picture than: when I wrote “organize”, I meant “gather to
demonstrate (peacefully) and express the ideals of their group, no matter what
they may be. I would restrict their right to assemble on the basis that their
virtues involve inappropriate behavior with children, and has been deemed
harmful to children. Likewise, regardless of the finer points of Naziing or
whatever it’s called, it is viewed by minority groups to be harmful. This isn’t
a case of hurt feelings - Naziing is directly responsible for 6 to 11 million
people being killed in Europe in the 1930’s and 1940’s.
-nk
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| (...) And what is "inappropriate"? Who decides? You? Some would argue it is inappropriate that women are permitted out in public unveiled. Sure, Nazism is a horrible, evil thing, but should we restrict someone's right to act like a jerk if they want (...) (19 years ago, 9-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) On the contrary--the only speech that requires protection is that which society-at-large finds suitable for censorship. (...) Unless you're equating "offensive" artistic expression with slander, this point is irrelevant. Likewise, arguments (...) (19 years ago, 9-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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