 | | American Idolatry —Dave Schuler
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| | | Meanwhile, (URL) yet another attempt to establish a national relgious symbol. If the no-burning amendment ever passes, I'm heading to DC to wipe by backside with the flag in public view, or else I'll shred the flag to confetti and scatter it over a (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: American Idolatry —Mike Petrucelli
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| | | | | (...) The funniest part is that burning is the proper way to dispose of a flag when it is worn out and no longer "respectable." (...) Hear. Hear. The only threat to our way of life comes from D.C. -Mike Petrucelli (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: American Idolatry —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) After 9/11, everyone and their dog had flags on their cars, clothes, stickers, houses, etc. It didn't take very long for them to get really ratty. It's funny (to me personally, if no one else) that I find myself uncomfortable with the ratty (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: American Idolatry —John Neal
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| | | | | | | (...) This is what I'm talking about. You support the right, but wouldn't actually perform the action. May I ask why not? JOHN (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: American Idolatry —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Because it's a freedom of speech issue. Same as I support the right of the KKK to march, wear silly sheets, and say mean things(1), while choosing not to actually march, sheetify, or mean-emit with them. Some constitutional scholar you are! (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: American Idolatry —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) What I was driving at is: if you were to express dissatisfaction, why wouldn't you choose to burn a flag? I was never questioning the right to do it; I was questioning the wisdom of doing it. JOHN (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: American Idolatry —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | (...) Well, there's multiple layers at work here. The intellectual ones are: That form of protest should be, in order to maintain the psychological power that it holds, reserved for the very most important levels of dissatisfaction, not the trivial. (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: American Idolatry —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | (...) (URL) Here>'s some info about "flag ettiquette" you may find interesting. ROSCO (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: American Idolatry —John Neal
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| | | | | (...) As I have said before, this is what happens when you have freedom without responsibility. Flag burning is a particularily unpatriotic and pointedly antagonistic expression of dissatisfaction that is frankly irresponsible. You can't tell (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: American Idolatry —Chris Phillips
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| | | | | | (...) So you agree that Dick Cheney doesn't deserve our respect? - Chris. (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: American Idolatry —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) If he ever says it personally to you or me; no. JOHN (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: American Idolatry —Chris Phillips
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| | | | | | (...) Oh, so it's only on the floor of the US Senate that he deserves no respect. That's a relief... - Chris. (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: American Idolatry —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) The Senate wasn't in session at the time. You aren't implying that Cheney is the only member of the Senate to have ever dropped the F-bomb are you? Because if that is the case, we shouldn't respect any of them. Hey.... :-) JOHN (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: American Idolatry —Chris Phillips
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| | | | | | (...) Oh, well it must be OK then. (...) F-no, but the fact is, resorting to such an angry retort is the last resort of someone who cannot justify their actions with reason. Allow me to illustrate with a recent anecdote... I got a flat tire on my (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: American Idolatry —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) (snip) (...) I'm saying, he who has never dropped the F-bomb in conversation-- let him cast the first aspersion. (snip) (...) lol Please, Cheney has been around the block a few times. What it sounds like is that Leahy is an A-hole. But in (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: American Idolatry —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | (...) Events in Iraq have proved that. Scott A (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: American Idolatry —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | (...) I don't get this issue. My guess is that Leahy and Cheney are both asses. And who cares if Cheney profaned a senator? I mean, I guess y'all do, but frankly, I think his remark was the most meritorious thing he's ever done in his life (that's (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: American Idolatry —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | (...) lol Because it's a non-issue! I'm guessing it is a tit for tat when Kerry was overheard swearing at that secret service agent while he was snowboarding... (...) The point is civility. We dance around those terms as a way of showing respect to (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: American Idolatry —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) OK, so here's how I see it. When I see A s s h o l e printed out, I think that world to myself. When I see A-hole printed out, I think the same exact word to myself and just a little side-adendum in my mind about why they used that (local (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: American Idolatry —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) No, Chris, we are talking about discussions about the word, not using it as a pejorative to somebody. It is more civil of me to skirt typing the actual word than to type it. JOHN (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: American Idolatry —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | (...) It looks like using the (URL) is ~ok~. Scott A (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: American Idolatry —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) (URL) wow> Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: American Idolatry — Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) No. Your search does not demonstrate that it is necessarily OK or not OK, it merely unearthed incidents of use. The only conclusion to draw there is that the admins chose not to take action for whatever reason, not that using it is necessarily (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: American Idolatry —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I'm thinking it doesn't. At least not the first one. The second one maybe. But that's a topic for somewhere in the .admin hierarchy, and I just gave you my personal opinion not an official pronouncement... I'll look into it and get back to you (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: American Idolatry — Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) See (URL) this> post. Please respond to it there (rather than here) if there are further questions or concerns. Hope that helps. (20 years ago, 23-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: American Idolatry —Chris Phillips
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| | | | | | (...) Interesting, because (URL) earlier> you seemed to think that was reason enough to hold someone in disrespect. (...) Sure, but holding one of the highest offices in this nation brings with it a responsibility to conduct oneself in a more (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: American Idolatry —Scott Arthur
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| | | | Personally, I’d be more concerned about the flags flying over Bush’s gulags. Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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