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| | | (URL) which granite tablets inscribed with the 10 commandments were removed from school property. Is this separation or liberalism run amok? I dunno. If, say, I was a teacher at this school, and I had a card with the 10 commandments on my desk, is (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Separation of Church and State —Frank Filz
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| | | | | (...) I don't think so. Of course the real solution is to eliminate public schools. Private schools may do whatever they please in this aspect. (...) It depends. If it was in a position that didn't suggest the students should follow it, it would (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Separation of Church and State —Richie Dulin
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| | | | | | (...) Real solution? It sounds like a good idea, until one considers the possible results of such a policy: Public schools (at least in Australia, and I am led to believe in the US as well) offer the cheapest education. Most parents want to (if not (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Separation of Church and State —Terry Prosper
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| | | | | | | (...) Yuck... Give a religious man a boy of that age and what you'll most likely get is another boy molested by a priest/preacher/whatever... But it does tell us a lot about religion that go after the younger, more innocent and less critic people to (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Separation of Church and State —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | (...) That's an awfully gross and unfair claim, and I resent the implication that I am "most likely a molester" since I consider myself a religious person and have been actively involved in youth ministry for about 10 years. I'd also like to point (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Separation of Church and State —Terry Prosper
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Hey! I wish! I'd feel terrible for you if you were molested as a child. The fact is that I of course exagerated the facts, but I really have few respect for priests. I was joking, even if I didn't put a smily after my post. Here is one for the (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Separation of Church and State —Richie Dulin
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| | | | | | | | (...) You reckon? Most likely? Come on, show me a reference that says that 51% of religious men molest boys. Your comment is without base, and apparently without thought. (...) It might. It might also tell us that that Jesuits value education (and (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Separation of Church and State —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | | (...) "Celibacy leads to abused altar boys." -Some Self-Appointed Wit Said before the current revelations about recent news headlines concerning the clergy. But there is an unstated smiley behind it. I took it that this was the same. :-) (...) (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Separation of Church and State —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | (...) Remember though that all the parents have lower taxes and thus have more money than before to choose an appropriate private school. Also, there would be a greater variety of schools, religious and non-religious (and even a few (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Separation of Church and State —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | (...) Naw, they'll just outsource everything and sell to fewer and fewer customers for more dollars per unit. Alternatively, they will sell to fewer americans and westerners in general, but more persons on a global scale overall -- even if the (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Separation of Church and State —Richie Dulin
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| | | | | | (...) <snip> (...) It doesn't follow that lower taxes due to lower government education expenditure would lead to higher private spending on education. (When the Australian Government cut it's 'gun byback' tax, I did not rush out and spend my tax (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Separation of Church and State —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | (...) From the article, I'm not 100% sure, but I interpret the issue to have occurred on the grounds of two public schools. Am I correct? If so, then here's my answer: It's not liberalism at all; it is an objective and correct reading of the First (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Separation of Church and State —David Koudys
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| | | | | | (...) Where I agree about the 'separation of church and state' means that 'official school sanctioned religious prayer' is a no-no, people getting together and praying to their deity, unofficial like and not school supported at all is quite fine. (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Separation of Church and State —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | (...) Absolutely! And if someone tries to prevent those people from praying, I'll be first in line to defend their right to pray as they choose. The right to worship is Constitutionally protected, even on school property (provided that it's not done (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Separation of Church and State —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote: <snip> (...) I was trying to address this very issue, but I snipped it 'cause it wasn't sounding good at all. I was going to say that little Timmy drawing Rambo with a severed head in his hand as his (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Separation of Church and State —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | (...) There is a minor problem here about clubs. My inclination is that clubs should be allowed so long as the school does not use religion to determine if the club is allowed (i.e. a religious club could be disallowed if it proposes some activity (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Separation of Church and State —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | | | (...) The practising Catholics were always easily identifiable come Ash Wednesday. You are not supposed to wash the ashes off your forehead (except as a byproduct of washing yourself in general) and I have never heard of a school forcing them to (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Separation of Church and State —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) In my slightly rural high school, Thanksgiving vacation included the following Monday. This was widely considered to be due to the fact that buck hunting season began on that day, so a great number of kids would skip school anyway. Your point (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Unitarian Universalism (was Re: Separation of Church and State) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | (...) (URL) (color doesn't matter) is a pretty universal UU symbol. This page: (URL) is a good place to start and exploration. (...) There is actually a pretty strong base, it's just that it's somewhat fluid. While UUism is talked about as a (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Separation of Church and State —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | (...) This is an excellent idea for a clone MOC. Get to work! FTX killed my smiley face emoticon!!! -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Separation of Church and State —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | (...) Why not? Some people already consider clones to be blasphemy! Dave! (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Separation of Church and State —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) This is part of the constant attempt by a certain segment of society to institutionalize its religion (i.e. inflict it upon everyone as the state-sanctioned theology). The prevalent religion at my son's school is Buddhism - the same law that (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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